Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
04-19-2015, 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
I'm completely on board with a cap.
04-19-2015, 11:55 AM
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Good luck putting that genie back in the bottle! All I hear is guys complaining about how far117 won't let them fly 120 hrs in 30...
04-19-2015, 12:16 PM
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For a guy who left Delta long ago, this thread brings back memories of my 2-on-5-off schedule and the days when any captain who couldn't turn a week of vacation into a month off needed to go back to bidding school.
Oh, my! How times change.
With a lot of hind-sight, it is clear that going for the cash burns QOL, while going for the QOL reaps both QOL and more money. Re-inventing the wheel....
Oh, my! How times change.
With a lot of hind-sight, it is clear that going for the cash burns QOL, while going for the QOL reaps both QOL and more money. Re-inventing the wheel....
04-19-2015, 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
Here's a crazy idea.
Let people drop a turn. Make thing is more commutable but the catch, someone has to first pick up the turn AND the turn is only paid in block hours.
Disclaimer
I thought that up on my own and on the fly. No research or thought was put into it. It really is just throwing something against the wall.
Let people drop a turn. Make thing is more commutable but the catch, someone has to first pick up the turn AND the turn is only paid in block hours.
Disclaimer
I thought that up on my own and on the fly. No research or thought was put into it. It really is just throwing something against the wall.
04-19-2015, 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
The QOL ship has sailed.
There are simply not enough guys who care about quality of life.
Time off has clearly become secondary among Delta pilots.
The majority wants to work to the FARs.
The best thing we could possibly do would be to bring back some sort of cap.
Very few want that though. They see it as a pay cut if they can only fly 75 hours instead of 90.
The fact that they could be making more and working less by faster advancement to captain or larger equipment doesn't seem to matter. They somehow don't believe it.
As mentioned by someone earlier, the people this is really killing is the commuters. I don't see how anybody commutes that isn't VERY senior in category. Coming in the day prior, even occasionally, is just such a huge chunk of time out of your life. Nobody seems to realize that you are essentially WORKING during that time. For a payrate of $0. Plus you pay the hotel or crashpad.
BRING BACK A CAP !!
There are simply not enough guys who care about quality of life.
Time off has clearly become secondary among Delta pilots.
The majority wants to work to the FARs.
The best thing we could possibly do would be to bring back some sort of cap.
Very few want that though. They see it as a pay cut if they can only fly 75 hours instead of 90.
The fact that they could be making more and working less by faster advancement to captain or larger equipment doesn't seem to matter. They somehow don't believe it.
As mentioned by someone earlier, the people this is really killing is the commuters. I don't see how anybody commutes that isn't VERY senior in category. Coming in the day prior, even occasionally, is just such a huge chunk of time out of your life. Nobody seems to realize that you are essentially WORKING during that time. For a payrate of $0. Plus you pay the hotel or crashpad.
BRING BACK A CAP !!
How about we restore the profession so guys can make a living, have a nice house, maybe an airplane or boat, send the kids to something other than a community college, and not have to sell everything they have when they retire? If we could do that on 75 hours, I'll bet very few would fly over 75 hours. That is the problem, not a cap.....if you bring back a cap, bring back the hourly rates and work rules that went with it, not just the cap alone. Only trust fund kids want the cap only back.
04-19-2015, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by RockyBoy
I disagree.....those who work to the cap do so to make ends meet and be able to save enough to send kids to college and have more than Ramen noodles in retirement. So a cap will just make certain people struggle to do what they thought they were going to be able to do with this career 10 years ago. I know we can talk about poor decisions all day, but we never talked about poor decisions prior to bankruptcy and lost pensions.
How about we restore the profession so guys can make a living, have a nice house, maybe an airplane or boat, send the kids to something other than a community college, and not have to sell everything they have when they retire? If we could do that on 75 hours, I'll bet very few would fly over 75 hours. That is the problem, not a cap.....if you bring back a cap, bring back the hourly rates and work rules that went with it, not just the cap alone. Only trust fund kids want the cap only back.
How about we restore the profession so guys can make a living, have a nice house, maybe an airplane or boat, send the kids to something other than a community college, and not have to sell everything they have when they retire? If we could do that on 75 hours, I'll bet very few would fly over 75 hours. That is the problem, not a cap.....if you bring back a cap, bring back the hourly rates and work rules that went with it, not just the cap alone. Only trust fund kids want the cap only back.
04-19-2015, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by RockyBoy
I disagree.....those who work to the cap do so to make ends meet and be able to save enough to send kids to college and have more than Ramen noodles in retirement. So a cap will just make certain people struggle to do what they thought they were going to be able to do with this career 10 years ago. I know we can talk about poor decisions all day, but we never talked about poor decisions prior to bankruptcy and lost pensions.
How about we restore the profession so guys can make a living, have a nice house, maybe an airplane or boat, send the kids to something other than a community college, and not have to sell everything they have when they retire? If we could do that on 75 hours, I'll bet very few would fly over 75 hours. That is the problem, not a cap.....if you bring back a cap, bring back the hourly rates and work rules that went with it, not just the cap alone. Only trust fund kids want the cap only back.
How about we restore the profession so guys can make a living, have a nice house, maybe an airplane or boat, send the kids to something other than a community college, and not have to sell everything they have when they retire? If we could do that on 75 hours, I'll bet very few would fly over 75 hours. That is the problem, not a cap.....if you bring back a cap, bring back the hourly rates and work rules that went with it, not just the cap alone. Only trust fund kids want the cap only back.
04-19-2015, 01:56 PM
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I'd love to see the Cap!
And for what it's worth I'm not a trust fund baby, I simply live well within my means.
And for what it's worth I'm not a trust fund baby, I simply live well within my means.
04-19-2015, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by RockyBoy
I disagree.....those who work to the cap do so to make ends meet and be able to save enough to send kids to college and have more than Ramen noodles in retirement. So a cap will just make certain people struggle to do what they thought they were going to be able to do with this career 10 years ago. I know we can talk about poor decisions all day, but we never talked about poor decisions prior to bankruptcy and lost pensions.
How about we restore the profession so guys can make a living, have a nice house, maybe an airplane or boat, send the kids to something other than a community college, and not have to sell everything they have when they retire? If we could do that on 75 hours, I'll bet very few would fly over 75 hours. That is the problem, not a cap.....if you bring back a cap, bring back the hourly rates and work rules that went with it, not just the cap alone. Only trust fund kids want the cap only back.
How about we restore the profession so guys can make a living, have a nice house, maybe an airplane or boat, send the kids to something other than a community college, and not have to sell everything they have when they retire? If we could do that on 75 hours, I'll bet very few would fly over 75 hours. That is the problem, not a cap.....if you bring back a cap, bring back the hourly rates and work rules that went with it, not just the cap alone. Only trust fund kids want the cap only back.
Otherwise, you're reciting from the Book of QOL, but you end really praying at the temple of Payrates Only.
04-19-2015, 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by RockyBoy
I disagree.....those who work to the cap do so to make ends meet and be able to save enough to send kids to college and have more than Ramen noodles in retirement. So a cap will just make certain people struggle to do what they thought they were going to be able to do with this career 10 years ago. I know we can talk about poor decisions all day, but we never talked about poor decisions prior to bankruptcy and lost pensions.
How about we restore the profession so guys can make a living, have a nice house, maybe an airplane or boat, send the kids to something other than a community college, and not have to sell everything they have when they retire? If we could do that on 75 hours, I'll bet very few would fly over 75 hours. That is the problem, not a cap.....if you bring back a cap, bring back the hourly rates and work rules that went with it, not just the cap alone. Only trust fund kids want the cap only back.
How about we restore the profession so guys can make a living, have a nice house, maybe an airplane or boat, send the kids to something other than a community college, and not have to sell everything they have when they retire? If we could do that on 75 hours, I'll bet very few would fly over 75 hours. That is the problem, not a cap.....if you bring back a cap, bring back the hourly rates and work rules that went with it, not just the cap alone. Only trust fund kids want the cap only back.
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