Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
05-04-2015, 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by CheapTrick
Incedulous, credibility suffering, duplicitous, et al. I get it. You didn't care for my opinion. And you think I'm carrying water for the company or DALPA or someone. In truth, none of that is close to true. I thought it was super strange that RA mention FO's staying home as an area the company wanted reflief from. How would he know or care about that? He knew that the contract was going to be asked about in Q and A - and he chose to mention that. I don't see it as "off the cuff". I truly don't get that. And because the thread was wading around in this area - I commented. Sorry you don't like my perspective.
We actually agree on sick leave. I don't know why a small pressentage of pilots are going to change the whole system that has been very good IMO. But sick leave usage has increased historically over that last couple of years. And significantly. Guys sick out on the weekends much more than the weekdays. Sick leave usage spikes in April and May as pilots use up their yearly ENTITLEMENT (caps are not for you). Sick leave is an issue because it is being abused. The definition of what is abuse and how much its being abused is a great conversation.
We actually agree on sick leave. I don't know why a small pressentage of pilots are going to change the whole system that has been very good IMO. But sick leave usage has increased historically over that last couple of years. And significantly. Guys sick out on the weekends much more than the weekdays. Sick leave usage spikes in April and May as pilots use up their yearly ENTITLEMENT (caps are not for you). Sick leave is an issue because it is being abused. The definition of what is abuse and how much its being abused is a great conversation.
Carl
05-04-2015, 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
Did he happen to mention anything about fuel hedging abuse?
If I was him, I'd start there and work down. Pilot sick leave "abuse" (is that even provable?) would be about #5,839 on my list of important stuff.
If I was him, I'd start there and work down. Pilot sick leave "abuse" (is that even provable?) would be about #5,839 on my list of important stuff.
05-04-2015, 12:13 PM
Da Hudge
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
No, sick leave is NOT being abused. You saying so is an utterly baseless statement of carrying managements water. Sick leave abuse is a terminating offense. Pilots are not being terminated for sick leave abuse. Thus your statement is PURE B. S.
Carl
Carl
I have a big problem with punishing the many instead of dealing with the deeds of a few.
05-04-2015, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
+ the balance of your existing freeze, I believe.
But I think you're asking whether 717 A's are about to start leaving in large numbers? I think many of the guys in the first bases are off their freeze, yes. NYC, I'm guessing not.
But I think you're asking whether 717 A's are about to start leaving in large numbers? I think many of the guys in the first bases are off their freeze, yes. NYC, I'm guessing not.
I didn't realize I was unclear...since we are betting on how junior NYC 717a will go...anyway, how junior it goes will largely depend upon guys freezes being over.
On another note, I think in the recent postings on this thread, we can see how even a concessionary TA could pass. Nobody is looking at the broader implications of individual issues. We solved managements problems 10 years ago. It's time to have our problems solved now...NO concessions.
Even if a change sounds reasonable, taken in isolation, if it's a concession, there is no reason to approve it.
05-04-2015, 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by CheapTrick
Incedulous, credibility suffering, duplicitous, et al. I get it. You didn't care for my opinion. And you think I'm carrying water for the company or DALPA or someone. In truth, none of that is close to true. I thought it was super strange that RA mention FO's staying home as an area the company wanted reflief from. How would he know or care about that? He knew that the contract was going to be asked about in Q and A - and he chose to mention that. I don't see it as "off the cuff". I truly don't get that. And because the thread was wading around in this area - I commented. Sorry you don't like my perspective.
We actually agree on sick leave.
We actually agree on sick leave.
As far as the other issue, my beef was with the fact you're constantly pushing this issue to the forefront, alone. Which made me think "LCA completely going off the reservation", and overplaying his hand. I hadn't considered something else, like perhaps In-Command, so maybe you were innocently taken aback, and you're just sincerely sounding the alarm. Over and over.
That still doesn't explain the downplaying of the negatives, or the strange defeatism over the outcome, just because RA "mentioned it". The company would prefer less inefficiencies: we all understand that. We prefer advancement and money. They understand that. How about we just let the negotiators negotiate, and not get our unmentionables in a wad over "things RA has mentioned" in some undefined context?
05-04-2015, 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
I thought you were released from any previous freeze for your first capt upgrade, but got a 2 yr freeze in the new category.
Your new captain freeze is added to whatever you had left from your prior freeze.
05-04-2015, 12:27 PM
Da Hudge
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Originally Posted by Herkflyr
You are allowed to bid a first time captain position even if still subject to a freeze from a prior AE or VD.
Your new captain freeze is added to whatever you had left from your prior freeze.
Your new captain freeze is added to whatever you had left from your prior freeze.
05-04-2015, 12:31 PM
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What if it's to a new category? I understand you can be let out of a freeze to go there, but do they also add your existing freeze (if you've got one) to that category? I think LAX 717 is the only one left that applies. For now.
05-04-2015, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
This is incorrect. I've flown with guys that openly admit to it... they are the vast minority, but it does happen.
I have a big problem with punishing the many instead of dealing with the deeds of a few.
I have a big problem with punishing the many instead of dealing with the deeds of a few.
05-04-2015, 12:49 PM
FlySmarterNotHarder
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Lets just change it to 100 hours of PTO and the "abuse" goes away. Problem solved. Next.
Oh, the company can't afford that? Yes, they can. Not my problem. Next.
Oh, the company can't afford that? Yes, they can. Not my problem. Next.
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