And how many oal pilots use.

 

If I remember correctly, when you are complete with your initial OE on the airplane (ie, domestic OE) you go off training pay. So anything you WS would be paid as normal, straight pay. Now, I forget what the pay was like between OE and TOE, when I went through it in 2008 there was no way to fly anything between the two.

 

I know that every year I have been employed more of my sick bank has been unused than used.

 

"Admitting it" to you doesn't mean it happened. In fact, it probably means that it didn't...just like 60% of pilots saying they voted NO on C2012. Now admitting it to the chief pilot - that means it actually happened.

Shouldn't we first know if the "deeds of a few" actually happen? How many pilots were terminated last year for sick leave abuse? 0? 1? There is NO sick leave abuse. Anyone that says there is, I ask them to prove it.

Carl

 

isn't that the real metric?

 

Or not. I don't see the point in counter-bloviating to people that postulate it's rampant, by suggesting there is none. Who would win at that game, exactly?

We're sure picking some pretty silly topics on APC, last few pages. I think an underboob reset would be welcome.

 

That's the problem. I went about 25 years without using all of my sick leave in any year, some years I didn't us ANY! BUT...then I got hit with "The BIG ONE"! I was out for 9 months...and blew through our (miniscule) sick leave very quickly, (remember when we went to 75% pay?) and then onto long term disability, which only pays 50%.

THIS was shortly after we took a 42% pay cut!

Yeah, that's 50%... of the 58% we were now being paid!

NO, DPMA does NOT make up all the difference.

DPMA works on a sliding scale, the longer you've been here, the less % of your pay you get if you go on LTD.

A NEW HIRE gets 50% of new hire pay, but a 20-25 year guy, not so much. Not even close. I think I was getting about 22%.

And what about all my unused hours of sick leave over the prior 25 years?

All Gone, up in smoke.

Just like my mortgage, my car, my Cub, and my boat.

Yeah, it can happen when you have 4 kids in college and then you have "The Big One!"

Worst part? It was due to an illness (viral meningitis) I contracted while on a layover in Kuwait City.

OJI denied!

FUPM!

 

The facts. We're all old men now. Haha. We will be sick more than when we where 26 newly hired. The odds of the poster above " the big one" is more likely for all of us. There should be nothing in this contract that gives to get. PERIOD!!!! Not sick time, not anything....

 

I agree. I want to see how many hours go unused each year. I bet it's way in the companies favor. C2012 they pretty much budgeted for 100 hrs per pilot. I would bet that we are no where near 1,200,000 hrs of sick each year, even with the alleged total sick bank users. I have called in once since last summer, but if I had been sick more I wouldn't have hesitated. If, big if, there are people abusing it, than go after them. They are just trying to take away one of the few benefits we have improved on from ch11. Personally I would like to go back to the system we had at NWA. 5 hrs per month and an additional 7 if no sick time used that month and no cap.

 

The point is that sick leave abuse is both provable and a serious enough offense to be terminated. Pilots aren't being terminated for sick leave abuse. It's a pretty important distinction. I've never understood why pilots are so willing to believe the worst of their fellow pilots without any proof of the alleged wrongdoing.

Pilots win when we refuse to believe management propaganda of systemic sick leave abuse.

Sure.





Carl