Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
11-09-2014 | 06:04 AM
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Down from 50.05%. That was the high water mark for Delta pilots in this Joint Venture and it occurred in the measurement period that ended in March 31, 2011.
With our high point of 50.05%, it means the Euro's at that time held 49.95%. Now Delta pilots are down to approximately 47% of the EASK's...that's a reduction. Now the Euro's are up to approximately 53% of the EASK's...that's an increase.
This is simply not arguable. It's verifiable mathematics.
Carl
With our high point of 50.05%, it means the Euro's at that time held 49.95%. Now Delta pilots are down to approximately 47% of the EASK's...that's a reduction. Now the Euro's are up to approximately 53% of the EASK's...that's an increase.
This is simply not arguable. It's verifiable mathematics.
Carl
11-09-2014 | 06:08 AM
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11-09-2014 | 06:11 AM
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Down from 50.05%. That was the high water mark for Delta pilots in this Joint Venture and it occurred in the measurement period that ended in March 31, 2011.
With our high point of 50.05%, it means the Euro's at that time held 49.95%. Now Delta pilots are down to approximately 47% of the EASK's...that's a reduction. Now the Euro's are up to approximately 53% of the EASK's...that's an increase.
This is simply not arguable. It's verifiable mathematics.
Carl
With our high point of 50.05%, it means the Euro's at that time held 49.95%. Now Delta pilots are down to approximately 47% of the EASK's...that's a reduction. Now the Euro's are up to approximately 53% of the EASK's...that's an increase.
This is simply not arguable. It's verifiable mathematics.
Carl
Again Carl you stated we reduced our flying while AF/KLM increased theirs. You implied that was at our expense. That is not true. Go read bars last posted document. Our share of the flying relative to AF/KLM has been so close over the years as to be virtually unchanged.
11-09-2014 | 06:15 AM
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Carl, you're both right. Our percentage of EASK's is certainly below that which it is required to be.
Sailingfun's point, and I understand him to be correct, is that our percentage of EASK's is almost exactly what it was just prior to AZ joining the JV and the 50% requirement being established. Delta had plans at the time to increase its flying to Europe to about 50%, and wanted to set the requirement at that level, but the softening of the trans-Atlantic market almost immediately thereafter made them change their minds.
I'm not saying that this excuses their non-compliance, only that the PWA requires a higher percentage of flying than actually existed just prior to the JV.
Sailingfun's point, and I understand him to be correct, is that our percentage of EASK's is almost exactly what it was just prior to AZ joining the JV and the 50% requirement being established. Delta had plans at the time to increase its flying to Europe to about 50%, and wanted to set the requirement at that level, but the softening of the trans-Atlantic market almost immediately thereafter made them change their minds.
I'm not saying that this excuses their non-compliance, only that the PWA requires a higher percentage of flying than actually existed just prior to the JV.
In the beginning we were essentially at 50%/50%. Now we're at 47%/53%. Delta pilot's EASK's are down, Euro pilot's EASK's are up. Sailingfun vehemently disagrees with me on this. We can't both be right.
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11-09-2014 | 06:20 AM
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Again Carl you stated we reduced our flying while AF/KLM increased theirs. You implied that was at our expense. That is not true. Go read bars last posted document. Our share of the flying relative to AF/KLM has been so close over the years as to be virtually unchanged.
11-09-2014 | 06:27 AM
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Again read bars document. The second chart shows are share of the flying back to 2004.
11-09-2014 | 06:29 AM
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To be clear, the baseline allocation for Delta was changed when AZ was added to the JV in 2011. Prior to that, when it was just AF/KLM, Delta was required to maintain at least 49.95% of the 3 airlines' combined flying for the first 2 measurement periods (ending March 31, 2011 and 2012) and at least 50.2% for each subsequent measurement period.
Apparently, we were in compliance during that time.
Apparently, we were in compliance during that time.
When AZ was added to the JV, our actual percentage of flying of the now 4 combined airlines was around 47%. The original AF/KLM JV had provided that, were another airline to be added to the mix, the baseline allocation would be adjusted to reflect the actual balance of flying at the time.
For whatever reason (presumably because they had planned to grow), Delta agreed to a minimum required percentage of 48.5%, rather than the 47% at which they actually were operating at the time.
For whatever reason (presumably because they had planned to grow), Delta agreed to a minimum required percentage of 48.5%, rather than the 47% at which they actually were operating at the time.
DALPA and sailingfun can't get themselves to admit this very clear point. When our percentage goes DOWN to 47%, the other 3% doesn't vanish. It goes to the Euro's. Their percentage goes UP to 53%.
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11-09-2014 | 06:36 AM
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Again, Delta had plans to come up to 50%, which is why they agreed to a 48.5% minimum. Those plans did not materialize, hence the scope violation.
11-09-2014 | 06:48 AM
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11-09-2014 | 06:48 AM
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I didn't imply it, I specifically stated it. We should be flying at least 8 more Atlantic flight equivalents in order to be flying our share. We're not. The Euro's are flying those flight equivalents. That's being done at the expense of Delta pilots.
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