My above post kinda backs that up as well.

 

That's correct. At that time, AF/KLM constituted the entire Atlantic Joint Venture.

That's meaningless because our contractual language didn't specify airlines joining or removing themselves, it specifies percentage shares of the EASK's between the two sides...regardless of those sides' member airlines. That single act REDUCED our share of EASK's and INCREASED the Euro's share of the EASK's.

Whatever. Delta pilot's share of the flying has DECREASED while the Euro's share has INCREASED. This has damaged Delta pilots and continues to do so. People who try to spin this to the contrary are beyond understanding.

Carl

 

Contractually, there is no such thing. It is the Delta / Air France / KLM / Alitalia Joint Venture, formerly the Delta / Air France / KLM Joint Venture.

Completely wrong. The original language of 1 P. Delta / Air France / KLM Joint Venture (which was added to the PWA in 2009) established a baseline of flying between those three carriers of 51.7% for Delta and 48.3% for AF/KLM. This baseline was taken from the actual balance of flying that existed in the 12 months ending March 31, 2009, and established a required minimum percentage of the total flying among the three airlines for Delta.

The language also provided for an adjustment to that baseline were another carrier to join the JV. This adjustment would reflect the change to parties' shares of flying caused by the addition of the new airline.

When Alitalia joined the JV in 2011, the baseline was adjusted in accordance with the PWA, except that Delta agreed to a higher minimum than its actual percentage at the time due to its growth plans.

 

Any word on delivery dates? Because if this is the 10 year plan,
then most of the pilots on the seniority list will be gone by then.

 

Since I'm too tired and indecisive to provide a caption, you can decide for yourself if this is poking fun at ALPA volunteer work, our overdue Widebody RFP decision, or something else entirely. I'm pretty sure the Generals are us though.

 

But what 787's would they be? We already have them coming in 2020 and here we are almost 2015. Even if they announced it at the end of the year, it would probably take several years to get them, so is this an RFP for something we already ordered in an old RFP?

And the big question is long term, how much if any of that lift will be growth? If our business plan over the Atlantic is really to just pull down highr block hour directs and shuttle pax less distance to EU hubs in larger widebodies (but not too large of course) then we can replace a whole lot of ER block hours with a lot less pilots by shifting that lift to 330/787/777's.

 

I've been tracking this set of rumors really closely.

Cue Col Hans Landa's "I love rumors..." Scene

Your aircraft types are all on the money, the numbers differ depending upon who you talk to, some add up to more than 50. However, the used 777 numbers are always 10.

 

And the important part: Delivered when???

Thanks for the info.

 

Fine Alan. I can't study this for myself now, so I'll say for the sake of argument you're correct. I'll rephrase my post on the premise you'll actually respond to the point of it:

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The single act of adding Alitalia to the AF/KLM side of the Atlantic JV REDUCED our share of EASK's and INCREASED the Euro's share of the EASK's.

Even with the addition of Alitalia, our percentage share of this JV's EASK's has dropped from the new baseline agreed to in the immediate aftermath of Alitalia's addition. Since we're talking about percentages between two sides, that means Delta pilot's share of the flying has DECREASED while the Euro's share has INCREASED. This has damaged Delta pilots and continues to do so. People who try to spin this to the contrary are beyond understanding.

I'm absolutely stunned and amazed that sailingfun, DALPA, and even you are fighting so incredibly hard to spin this non-compliance as something that really hasn't harmed us because (you say) we've never actually gone backward as a result. This population of apologists for management gives management an amazing advantage against this pilot group.

Carl

 

Wrong Carl, we are taking a statement you made that we reduced our Atlantic flying while AF/KLM increased theirs and showing it is incorrect. Once you realized that your statement was wrong you keep trying to spin it into other things.