Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
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When I showed my son flight ops in ATL I had to have a manager who had escort privileges accompany us. For him to be with me on my own in flight ops was not authorized.
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You did not understand the data. They stated the company would have to add 6 to 7 flights a day in the last year to bring the average up to be in compliance. That number was actually up to something around 14 departures per day in Aug. The less time left the more departures they would have to add to be in compliance. The overall rate for the entire period was just under two departures per day. With the AF strike that dropped to closer to one per day if you average it over the 4 years. I think however you could make a case before the arbitrator that the shutdown of AF for several weeks should not count as it was a aberration not considered by either side when the agreement was made.
I was just emailed more numbers but they match what I posted. Just prior to the AF strike we were just over 47% of the EASK which gave us over 65% of the actual block hours. To be contractually compliant the company needed to raise that to 48.5%. With 40 to 50 departures per day it's not hard to see that two more departures per day would have produced the percentage the company needed.
I was just emailed more numbers but they match what I posted. Just prior to the AF strike we were just over 47% of the EASK which gave us over 65% of the actual block hours. To be contractually compliant the company needed to raise that to 48.5%. With 40 to 50 departures per day it's not hard to see that two more departures per day would have produced the percentage the company needed.
A year or so into the first 3-year look-back window (2011?) RD told the MEC that to get from 47.2% to 50% would require the addition of 6-7 daily roundtrips over the course of the 3-year agreement, this wasn't a power point presentation.
Again the percentages have been accrued over years, so no, just adding a flight isn't going to magically make a 3-year lookback come up to meet the PWA test.
Even without the numbers its not hard to figure this out.
Adding Alitalia to the JV dropped our share by just over 4% points.
To claw back just 1% Delta would have to add around one quarter of all of Alitalia's North Atlantic flights.
And since our North Atlantic fleet produces fewer EASKs per departure than the fleet of the Europeans, that means even more Delta flights just to produce an equivalent number of EASKs.
Again, these are RDs numbers my friend. He said we would see 6-7 added flights over the course of the 3-year agreement.
They aren't here, and the list of excuses just keeps getting longer.
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George
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- The PWA is a legally binding contract.
- That's the only thing that matters, and we elect and pay good people to make sure it stays that way.
- The shortfall in EASKs is a big deal.
Any effort to make the shortfall seem insignificant does the Delta pilots harm. It's nothing less than if the company decided they will just not give us the 3% contractually agreed upon pay raise next year...
Listening to what sailing is putting out here isn't much different than saying "it's just 3%, what's the big deal..."
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George
Thanks, unfortunately that's what I thought. No more take your kid to work day cause who knows, your own kid could be a threat to global security. Nanny govt in full overdrive.
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Ding Ding Ding.
Any effort to make the shortfall seem insignificant does the Delta pilots harm. It's nothing less than if the company decided they will just not give us the 3% contractually agreed upon pay raise next year...
Listening to what sailing is putting out here isn't much different than saying "it's just 3%, what's the big deal..."
Cheers
George
- The PWA is a legally binding contract.
- That's the only thing that matters, and we elect and pay good people to make sure it stays that way.
- The shortfall in EASKs is a big deal.
Any effort to make the shortfall seem insignificant does the Delta pilots harm. It's nothing less than if the company decided they will just not give us the 3% contractually agreed upon pay raise next year...
Listening to what sailing is putting out here isn't much different than saying "it's just 3%, what's the big deal..."
Cheers
George
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Negative my friend. I understand the data full well.
A year or so into the first 3-year look-back window (2011?) RD told the MEC that to get from 47.2% to 50% would require the addition of 6-7 daily roundtrips over the course of the 3-year agreement, this wasn't a power point presentation.
Again the percentages have been accrued over years, so no, just adding a flight isn't going to magically make a 3-year lookback come up to meet the PWA test.
Even without the numbers its not hard to figure this out.
Adding Alitalia to the JV dropped our share by just over 4% points.
To claw back just 1% Delta would have to add around one quarter of all of Alitalia's North Atlantic flights.
And since our North Atlantic fleet produces fewer EASKs per departure than the fleet of the Europeans, that means even more Delta flights just to produce an equivalent number of EASKs.
Again, these are RDs numbers my friend. He said we would see 6-7 added flights over the course of the 3-year agreement.
They aren't here, and the list of excuses just keeps getting longer.
Cheers
George
A year or so into the first 3-year look-back window (2011?) RD told the MEC that to get from 47.2% to 50% would require the addition of 6-7 daily roundtrips over the course of the 3-year agreement, this wasn't a power point presentation.
Again the percentages have been accrued over years, so no, just adding a flight isn't going to magically make a 3-year lookback come up to meet the PWA test.
Even without the numbers its not hard to figure this out.
Adding Alitalia to the JV dropped our share by just over 4% points.
To claw back just 1% Delta would have to add around one quarter of all of Alitalia's North Atlantic flights.
And since our North Atlantic fleet produces fewer EASKs per departure than the fleet of the Europeans, that means even more Delta flights just to produce an equivalent number of EASKs.
Again, these are RDs numbers my friend. He said we would see 6-7 added flights over the course of the 3-year agreement.
They aren't here, and the list of excuses just keeps getting longer.
Cheers
George
– Assuming no change to projectedAF-KL-AZflying,Delta will need. to add a significant number of flights to cure the breach
Delta’s average lead time for adding flights is about six months – Additional flights would likely not operate until Mar14
To reach compliance, between Mar14 and Mar15, Delta would need to add the equivalent of either:
– 5.10 daily DTW-AMS A330-300 roundtrips – 6.91 daily JFK-LHRB767-400 roundtrips
The above is verbatim from the MEC meeting.
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Apparently you are only "objective" when it helps to helps management.
Again, I ask: whose side are you on? Never mind. It's pretty obvious.
Projecting current schedule, Delta is on track to operate 47.6% of the JV’s Bundle 1 EASKs for the 36-month period ending Mar-15
– Assuming no change to projectedAF-KL-AZflying,Delta will need. to add a significant number of flights to cure the breach
Delta’s average lead time for adding flights is about six months – Additional flights would likely not operate until Mar14
To reach compliance, between Mar14 and Mar15, Delta would need to add the equivalent of either:
– 5.10 daily DTW-AMS A330-300 roundtrips – 6.91 daily JFK-LHRB767-400 roundtrips
The above is verbatim from the MEC meeting.
– Assuming no change to projectedAF-KL-AZflying,Delta will need. to add a significant number of flights to cure the breach
Delta’s average lead time for adding flights is about six months – Additional flights would likely not operate until Mar14
To reach compliance, between Mar14 and Mar15, Delta would need to add the equivalent of either:
– 5.10 daily DTW-AMS A330-300 roundtrips – 6.91 daily JFK-LHRB767-400 roundtrips
The above is verbatim from the MEC meeting.
Apparently, we were in compliance during that time.
When AZ was added to the JV, our actual percentage of flying of the now 4 combined airlines was around 47%. The original AF/KLM JV had provided that, were another airline to be added to the mix, the baseline allocation would be adjusted to reflect the actual balance of flying at the time.
For whatever reason (presumably because they had planned to grow), Delta agreed to a minimum required percentage of 48.5%, rather than the 47% at which they actually were operating at the time.
I haven't seen any excuses as to why Delta is not operating those flights, other than that they feel they cannot do so profitably, nor should that matter to us. They are contractually required to operate them, and they have not. Period.
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