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05-04-2015 | 03:28 AM
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05-04-2015 | 04:28 AM
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If this is ever to be negotiated for, what about a provision that said FO is released for OE conflict (and pay protected) has "recovery" flying inside the footprint of the original trip and is paid in addition for any flying assigned. So any recovery flying would be extra $$ and the company would have their manpower available.
With a steady flow of hiring, I would think the number of OE's per fleet/month is fairly predictable to about a 90% solution.
05-04-2015 | 04:51 AM
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Could OE trips be built separate from the general bid packet that will only be awarded to FO's up for OE, then put in open time if there is not an FO/CA upgrade that lines up with that trip? I would think there are some airports that we would want our new pilots to see early and the appropriate number of hours/landings.
With a steady flow of hiring, I would think the number of OE's per fleet/month is fairly predictable to about a 90% solution.
With a steady flow of hiring, I would think the number of OE's per fleet/month is fairly predictable to about a 90% solution.
I certainly wouldn't say that there isn't some sort of middle ground in this issue (I have learned to never say never) but recovery flying for FO's or screwing with the bidding process in a way that screws seniority, should be a no go....
05-04-2015 | 04:53 AM
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Could OE trips be built separate from the general bid packet that will only be awarded to FO's up for OE, then put in open time if there is not an FO/CA upgrade that lines up with that trip? I would think there are some airports that we would want our new pilots to see early and the appropriate number of hours/landings.
With a steady flow of hiring, I would think the number of OE's per fleet/month is fairly predictable to about a 90% solution.
With a steady flow of hiring, I would think the number of OE's per fleet/month is fairly predictable to about a 90% solution.
05-04-2015 | 04:59 AM
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Much as I enjoy reading this board at times, sometimes I shake my head. This entire mini-discussion stemmed from a post asking about current OE rules. How it dovetailed into all sorts of hypothetical changes to the contract perplexes me.
Ignore rumors, stay in touch with your reps, and all that...
05-04-2015 | 06:29 AM
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I agree with Ron, Pd, and Herk. We have a management trial balloon floating before us, and it's an unattractive one at that. Maybe RA said something to a LCA about FO's "sitting home", maybe he didn't. So what? If he starts musing about perdiem, or credit time, or having a seniority-based system, do we try to figure out how to cough those things up?
The only motivations I've identified so far in arguing for modifications to the OE/OE removal system are greed, jealousy, Stockholm Syndrome, or ignorance:
1) I want something else (like a paid APD), so screw "those guys",
2) "Those guys" get a good deal, so screw them,
3) Well, I guess that if you really want to screw those guys, I should help?
4) Oops! I didn't realize that "those guys" actually means me!
Let's focus on things that improve our common lot.
The only motivations I've identified so far in arguing for modifications to the OE/OE removal system are greed, jealousy, Stockholm Syndrome, or ignorance:
1) I want something else (like a paid APD), so screw "those guys",
2) "Those guys" get a good deal, so screw them,
3) Well, I guess that if you really want to screw those guys, I should help?
4) Oops! I didn't realize that "those guys" actually means me!
Let's focus on things that improve our common lot.
05-04-2015 | 06:32 AM
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Keep the pressure up on the reps - even a brief email saying, "I've heard this rumor about giving back on OE displacement, it sucks and I don't want it to be part of any contract" is a bug in their ear when the contract gets presented. If the rep gets enough of them, he'll either voice his displeasure or send a no-vote.
But if no one complains, then he might think it's ok, and figure it's a worthy trade-off.
But if no one complains, then he might think it's ok, and figure it's a worthy trade-off.
05-04-2015 | 06:36 AM
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Could OE trips be built separate from the general bid packet that will only be awarded to FO's up for OE, then put in open time if there is not an FO/CA upgrade that lines up with that trip? I would think there are some airports that we would want our new pilots to see early and the appropriate number of hours/landings.
With a steady flow of hiring, I would think the number of OE's per fleet/month is fairly predictable to about a 90% solution.
With a steady flow of hiring, I would think the number of OE's per fleet/month is fairly predictable to about a 90% solution.
05-04-2015 | 06:41 AM
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I agree with Ron, Pd, and Herk. We have a management trial balloon floating before us, and it's an unattractive one at that. Maybe RA said something to a LCA about FO's "sitting home", maybe he didn't. So what? If he starts musing about perdiem, or credit time, or having a seniority-based system, do we try to figure out how to cough those things up?
The only motivations I've identified so far in arguing for modifications to the OE/OE removal system are greed, jealousy, Stockholm Syndrome, or ignorance:
1) I want something else (like a paid APD), so screw "those guys",
2) "Those guys" get a good deal, so screw them,
3) Well, I guess that if you really want to screw those guys, I should help?
4) Oops! I didn't realize that "those guys" actually means me!
Let's focus on things that improve our common lot.
The only motivations I've identified so far in arguing for modifications to the OE/OE removal system are greed, jealousy, Stockholm Syndrome, or ignorance:
1) I want something else (like a paid APD), so screw "those guys",
2) "Those guys" get a good deal, so screw them,
3) Well, I guess that if you really want to screw those guys, I should help?
4) Oops! I didn't realize that "those guys" actually means me!
Let's focus on things that improve our common lot.
So how about a different topic since Timbo and Sink have said just about all there is that needs to be said on this one:
How junior will NYC A go on this AE? Any takers on 11,000? 2014 hire?
05-04-2015 | 06:56 AM
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