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Old 05-03-2015, 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp View Post
It should be in your content locker on your surface...I've got mine powered down now so I can't take you through the menus, but you could just scroll through the alphabetical and look for OE guide or something similar.

Otherwise, click on 737 Flight Standards on your fleet page, then OE/TOE/Line Check, and you'll find it on the page that opens up then.

When are you going to bid 717 captain?
Thanks 80! Found it.

Not going to bid 717 CA until I can hold it out here and that won't be for a long time!
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Old 05-03-2015, 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp View Post
That all seems pretty far fetched. In order to do that, they would have to completely rewrite the way line check airmen are handled as well (both in the contract as well as the entire organizational structure of flight standards and training).
I agree. Pulling trips would be a disaster. Screwing with LCA would cause a huge and possibly dangerous brain drain from training. Messing with OE would rankle the rank and file. It seems fetched. Maybe it's not far fetched. But definitely fetched.

That said I guess the consternation is not that that company wants it, that's a foregone conclusion that they'll always ask for productivity improvements, but rather that if it, in any form, makes it to a TA then it will pass and we're stuck with it.
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Old 05-03-2015, 07:51 PM
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Thanks 80! Found it.

Not going to bid 717 CA until I can hold it out here and that won't be for a long time!
But Buzz, think about what it will be like to fly a 3 or 4... or 5... day trip and remain in the Specific Time zone the whole time?!
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Old 05-03-2015, 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid View Post
But Buzz, think about what it will be like to fly a 3 or 4... or 5... day trip and remain in the Specific Time zone the whole time?!
Think of the FUN!

LAX-BUR-SNA-ONT-LAX, a 4 day trip where you never leave So Cal!

The best part Buzz... no more all nighters! (I don't think the Angry Poodle is allowed out after dark!)
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Old 05-03-2015, 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Scoop View Post
Close, but it was a timing issue more then cost.. About three years ago Flight Ops wanted to hire but the front office was determined to show a first quarter profit and anything that put that first quarter profit at risk (the expense of hiring) was delayed.

Our management is pretty smart. They weighed the Pros and Cons and decided to do everything within their power to produce a first quarter profit. Well they did, and Wall St and the S&P boys were impressed - just as management knew they would be.

Fast forward three years - DAL is still behind the power curve on manning. And now they are desperate for Pilot productivity. That is the name of the game boys - "Productivity." They want us to each fly a lot more block hours per month.

The funny thing is, they say this while at the same time patting themselves on the back for matching the "exactly" right capacity in every market via the diverse fleet that they were smart enough to deploy.

So on one hand we as Pilots are inefficient because we require all the things that go along with a diverse fleet (more training, more reserves etc) yet they are geniuses maximizing revenue.

Guess what boys - Record profits should equal Record Pilot compensation!

OBTW - I keep hearing this word "concession" does anyone know what it means? I know what compromise means but I am totally at loss for concession.

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I think cost factored into the equation also...but I agree with you.

I, for one, do NOT want to be so productive that I fly 90 hrs/mo. I don't even want to fly 80 hrs/mo! I like my wife and kids
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Old 05-03-2015, 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8 View Post
Two separate concepts being discussed, right?

1) The recovery obligations of a FO flying with a LCA.
2) The notion of removing LCA-awarded trips from the available pairings for FO's to bid.

2 is heinous, and affects every FO in category, +/- a couple. If you allow the removal of trips, then everyone below that point is getting a worse trip than they might have otherwise held. Essentially, every LCA in their category lowers the seniority of the FO's in their category by 1. I can't imagine this would seriously be considered.
If this is ever to be negotiated for, what about a provision that said FO is released for OE conflict (and pay protected) has "recovery" flying inside the footprint of the original trip and is paid in addition for any flying assigned. So any recovery flying would be extra $$ and the company would have their manpower available.
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Old 05-03-2015, 09:02 PM
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Not to contribute to thread drift, but does anybody know if all this new uniform info on the flights ops sight involves the pilot group? The company certainly seems to be spending some serious $$ and resources on it.
This just in.

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Old 05-03-2015, 09:56 PM
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Not to contribute to thread drift, but does anybody know if all this new uniform info on the flights ops sight involves the pilot group? The company certainly seems to be spending some serious $$ and resources on it.
If it's Zac Posen, expect your hat to become a beret.
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Old 05-03-2015, 10:07 PM
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How would you even bid? I usually put trip numbers in for my top choices. So they would run the A lines first and then pull the B lines and I would not have any idea what trips were going to be pulled at the time I bid? I don't think so buddy.
You guys didn't really ask but at HA it been this way since before I got here.
CA bids close, and are published before FO, with exact LCA trips noted separately so one can bid accordingly. Right seat is pulled and not available.
All done, as far as I can tell, on Navtech.

Major gain for company.
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Old 05-03-2015, 11:03 PM
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You guys didn't really ask but at HA it been this way since before I got here.
CA bids close, and are published before FO, with exact LCA trips noted separately so one can bid accordingly. Right seat is pulled and not available.
All done, as far as I can tell, on Navtech.

Major gain for company.
We are navtech as well. A change to that would create a complete change to the bid process and policy (with flight ops changes as well- FO's do special quals as well which is LCA type rules).
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