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Old 05-01-2015 | 02:16 PM
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It would be foolish to think this affects only FO's. Look at how senior WB FO's are relative to junior captains. Then again, it would be equally foolish to assume this is where things are headed, based on the rumor of a company ask.
Old 05-01-2015 | 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by 3 green
I agree. Hopefully all fo's will vote no if anything changes. The junior fo's will be senior soon and wish we still had the current format. Huge concession.
Senior, as in super senior. I've gotten them before but they are rare in the new hire aircraft unless you are very senior. Some FOs get to enjoy a great schedule as a result; others just get to bid for the LCAs and see disappointment when The results come out. My guess is, if you're in the top 10% of your category you enjoy this part of the contract on a consistent basis. Otherwise, it's a rare bonus.
Old 05-01-2015 | 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
Black and gold thongs....that's what I heard anyway.
Finally...no more panty lines
Old 05-01-2015 | 02:49 PM
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Pathetic that the company is looking to change the policy on OE displacements. My old regional (skyw) had a better policy on this than what we even have now. If you were pending being displaced from a trip for training, they HAD to fully release you at 36 hours prior to sign in. Furthermore, if they had a trip to assign you in its place, it had to fully fit inside the time confines of the original trip. We should be looking to pattern bargain "up" to our regional partner's policy on this one. The DL bean counters need to stop trying to squeeze every stinking half pence out of our a $$ es.
Old 05-01-2015 | 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by roadrunner65
Pathetic that the company is looking to change the policy on OE displacements. My old regional (skyw) had a better policy on this than what we even have now. If you were pending being displaced from a trip for training, they HAD to fully release you at 36 hours prior to sign in. Furthermore, if they had a trip to assign you in its place, it had to fully fit inside the time confines of the original trip. We should be looking to pattern bargain "up" to our regional partner's policy on this one. The DL bean counters need to stop trying to squeeze every stinking half pence out of our a $$ es.
I can't believe that we have to show up to be released...what about commuters? This rule is stone age.

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Old 05-01-2015 | 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by roadrunner65
Pathetic that the company is looking to change the policy on OE displacements. My old regional (skyw) had a better policy on this than what we even have now. If you were pending being displaced from a trip for training, they HAD to fully release you at 36 hours prior to sign in. Furthermore, if they had a trip to assign you in its place, it had to fully fit inside the time confines of the original trip. We should be looking to pattern bargain "up" to our regional partner's policy on this one. The DL bean counters need to stop trying to squeeze every stinking half pence out of our a $$ es.
It sounds like the sytem you mention allowed replacement flying. I suspect the company would be happy to go back to that. It sounds like bargaining down not up.
Old 05-01-2015 | 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Going2Baja
I can't believe that we have to show up to be released...what about commuters? This rule is stone age.

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Not even the commuters, I've seen FO's scheduled for 2 DH's to a layover, only to be told, 2 days after sign in, all the way across the country, 'oh, you can just go home, you're released'. Nice. How much did those unsold seats cost the company? The LCA's have way too much sway in this scenario. There needs to be a solid policy that applies to everyone, every time. It's not like there won't be a lot of this going on for the next umpteen years...

This had better not end up being a TA where every percent raise is costed out via a concession. I'd much rather just stick with what we've got if the rumors are true.
Old 05-01-2015 | 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Fegelein
Because he's a zero to hero RJ F/O with zero TPIC to a DAL mainline pilot and wants everyone to know it. He's making great friends at JC. Forget the fact the he's a minority with a "special" connection to the inside of DAL hiring.
That's a pretty classy post, Fegelein.

Still playing on your parent's computer?

Old 05-01-2015 | 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Hawaii50
Exactly. Seems like such a small thing I can't believe the company even notices this anyway. Some Capt or FO is going to get a trip bought and definitely shouldn't have a recovery obligation. It was the company's choice to buy it and it helps them out.
I'm not sure its such a small thing when you consider the number of IOE events that are taking place and will take place over the next decade.

With AE's coming out 6 times a year, retirements and upgrades taking place and a fleet that has so many types and categories, I'm sure the lost productivity is a factor in pilot staffing. Now they can pay GS pay and recover some of that productivity, but I'm sure the GS acceptance rate is harder for the company to predict .

It would be a real efficiency gain for the company in pay/people to recover some of that FO manpower at straight pay that will otherwise be lost and have to be repurchased at much higher rate.
Old 05-01-2015 | 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Elliot
That's a pretty classy post, Fegelein.
If those demographic and qualification data are accurate (and I don't have any way of knowing), why would you be offended by them? Zero TPIC?! If true, I'm offended by that!
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