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05-02-2015 | 06:13 AM

#181821

bohicagain

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From: NYC 7ER LCA

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Originally Posted by Purple Drank

You just got hired here, and you constantly bleat about why we should give up QOL to solve the company's problems. Why?

Exactly not sure why he is ready to deal to give up something for no reason in a time of huge profits.

If we loose something we will not get it back when times are bad.

05-02-2015 | 06:27 AM

#181822

full of luv

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From: Narrow/Left Wide/Right

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Originally Posted by Alan Shore

Not to mention the staffing implication. Would we let Delta staff the FO positions to a lower number derived from removing an assumed amount of OE flying from the staffing formula? If so, you need fewer FOs in each position. If not, you get some number of FOs who now get pushed to reserve because of the removal of those trips.

Unacceptable, IMO.

I think people are underestimating the actual true staffing cost. This is why the company would want it, less total FO's required in every category, in every base. Were not talking about a small training bump, they're looking ahead for the next 10+ years and there is going to be a lot of training to be done.

If that is the companies goal to hire less and they pay everyone more for the right, doesn't it come down to how much?

I mean if they offered an LOA today for this change in exchange for 10% pay raise for everyone, who doesn't think that wouldn't pass?

So everything that the company would want, we call a "concession" but does have a price in negotiations.

05-02-2015 | 07:15 AM

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forgot to bid

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From: Light Chop

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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44

Only extremely senior first officers are flying with line check airman right now (top 10 percent in category). If you look at the top bids in PBS, every single one of the senior guys try to make every single one of their trips with a LCA to take a chance that some of their trips will be bought. If you change it back to recovery obligations, flying with LCA will go junior again. Everyone first officer on the list will br affected by this change.

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Originally Posted by 3 green

Not true. I have a friend on the 737 in Atl, and he is approx. 50% relative position. He gets about 80% of his trips with LCA. So you dont have to be anywhere near super senior to do it. Plus a lot of LCA swap trips, and get trips with junior FO's when they do the swap.

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Originally Posted by Dorfman

Not true I am 50% in category and I have a at least 1 trip a month bought off for the last year. This is a GREAT deal for FOs and should not be changed

I think it's category dependent. The WS crowd that dropped their entire schedule and picked up trips on WS, like on Hockeys 88 category, was always senior and now bidding LCA is the best deal they've ever had- so I bet it is senior. It's better than rolling thunder, way way better.

I mean a cursory look at the 88 reasons report and I see guys in the 35% range getting LCA, but to have your entire line bought out from under you and picking up GS, that requires some seniority.

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Originally Posted by CheapTrick

I'd say it is more than being considered. In response to a question about what contractual inefficiencies the company wanted addressed in this negotiation - the first thing RA discussed was FO's staying home for OE's. Weird but true.

Which basically means we have something and they're asking that we have less of it. So why are we doing concessions?

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05-02-2015 | 07:17 AM

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forgot to bid

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From: Light Chop

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Originally Posted by bohicagain

Exactly not sure why he is ready to deal to give up something for no reason in a time of huge profits.

If we loose something we will not get it back when times are bad.

Not sure why anyone wants to give an inch on this one unless you really really think "well I don't get to benefit so..." Maybe for a new hire that's the case.

05-02-2015 | 07:29 AM

#181825

forgot to bid

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From: Light Chop

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Originally Posted by Trip7

Everybody has a price. If the company wants my trip and still wants me to fly I have no problem with that as long as they make it worth my while. Give and take.

No. ....................

05-02-2015 | 07:42 AM

#181826

Check Essential

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From: 737 ATL

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05-02-2015 | 07:52 AM

#181827

GunshipGuy

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From: Permanently scarred

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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44

???? So a bottom 90% guy will fly with a LCA. That's not much of a change for the 90%...same trip, same pay. Personally, I'm not against changing the contract on this as long as they can find a way to allow an FO to not be assigned recovery flying. I think someone mentioned a method of assigning trips to LCA that would take care of this.

Perhaps if they did get this concession from us it would benefit FOs in anther way as well: Super senior FOs bidding up to captain thus improving the seniority of the bottom 90%.

05-02-2015 | 07:58 AM

#181828

Carl Spackler

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From: 747-400 Captain

Quote:

Originally Posted by forgot to bid

So why are we doing concessions?

I know what you mean. Then I saw this in DALPA headquarters this week:

Well there you go.

Carl

05-02-2015 | 08:38 AM

#181829

duece12345

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Originally Posted by GunshipGuy

I agree with this. Am I for recovery obligations? Hell no. But I could care less about protecting a good deal for a small number of pilots that should move on anyways. I know, I know. Choices, and that opens up capt seats to jr guys, you can do this too when you are a senior FO, etc. maybe this will creat faster upward movement for the "other" 90% of F/Os. Whether you like it or not, there are quite a few jr FOs that I know of that agree with this.