LeineLodge

I love this argument. It's unproveable.

You could be right. Hell, PD might even be right. The fact is we will never know since the majority of the pilot group voted in the last agreement in 2012.

Maybe we could have had our cake and eaten it too. Maybe not. I do know that you and I are both benefiting from a category that DID NOT EXIST prior to C2012. Yes it might have happened anyways. Yes we could have called the bluff and it might have come to fruition. Some/All/None were all possibilities. You're too smart to ignore the possibility that it could be slightly different. To assume that we could have just said no and gotten more is just as speculative as to say we had we voted not (as a group) that we would have been sent to NMB purgatory. The point is...nobody knows.

We could still be spitting distance of the bottom of the list under the JPWA. OR you could "man up" (see Karl and PD I do have sense of humor) and bid NYC CA and GTFO my way

LeineLodge

Much respect to the spreadsheet and WDE!

80ktsClamp

That's actually my whole point- the 717 was a sales point to push C2012 through. That is where the rub is, in my opinion, and that sort of sales job behavior from the unionoids is not ok. Give us the facts, good and bad, and let us make the call in the memory rat. Remember the whole "bigger things are coming, you won't even see the second 3 percent raise" line? We just got a .55% raise to bring us back up to the average of our peers instead. Had Caplinger not stepped on his crank so hard, that behavior would have pushed us at least to a representation vote.

In Ed's own words after the fact, the 717 was too good of a deal to pass up.

I hope they behave in a more appropriate manner this time. After my recent encounters with my new reps and an MEC higher up recently, I have more confidence this time that my hopes will be realized.

Big E 757

Hope is not an effective strategy!!!

This is going to be my response to everyone that "hopes" our union is going to deliver us something more ground breaking than last time.

I'm not a DPA supporter, but I've been here 15 years and the only thing that has changed is that now, when the union gets a TA with management, they sell it to us vs. just presenting it to us and allowing us to make our own decision. (And they sell it hard, but it's embarrassing)

forgot to bid

Memory Rat.

Sailing, that will never get old.

And fwiw, I'm pretty ticked at Sailing. Because over the last week or so I've been nose to screen reading about kit built planes.

80ktsClamp

Let's get some seaplane action on here too:

forgot to bid

What trips are you bidding... because I'm bidding them.

My thought that concept should have never made it to memory rat because we shouldn't be working mainline aircraft purchases into the PWA.

The only thing to me in C2012 that the 717 should have been written into is the pay rates, and the demand that we replace the seat cushions with something more comfortable.

forgot to bid

That would be pretty cool too. If Lake Lanier ever opens up to sea planes... we could build one of them sea submarines (which is what we will end up with if you let me do the welding).




I swear I saw a rocket powered sailplane. Maybe a sailplane that uses a jet engine. Or used APU. Or used MD-88 APU.



Which means, it's perpetually grounded.

Justdoinmyjob

Just seemed strange when he said, "flaps set, gears up, let's go."

kamsman

Does anyone know what the pilot uniform "refresh" is all about? Dickson mentioned it in his weekly update