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Old 05-01-2015 | 12:26 PM
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I don't think it effects any captains (quite the opposite), but probably will affect them, when senior FO's find it undesirable to stay in the right seat.
Old 05-01-2015 | 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
I know a lot of Captains that get their trips bought too, so it effect Captains.

I'm sure they get mad seeing a NYC73NB getting GS #9, but, get over it. The people who make a killing on it are truly a small % but it effects everyone.
That CA has every right to bid NYC73B and get GS #7, 8, 9 as well. Beauty of having a seniority list.
Old 05-01-2015 | 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Hrkdrivr
HI50, RockyBoy and Duder, thanks for the gouge. I'll sit and wait and see how this plays out. Fortunately the trip is commutable on the front end so I can get an answer the night before I would have to travel. Very cool.
Hey Herc!

Nothing should preclude you from having a GS already in the computer, locked and loaded, just in case they need someone, (YOU), the next morning, for a nice 4/3/2/5 day GS!!!!

If you wait until they release you, at 7pm, you never know when the next GS list will be run, but it might be the next morning and you just might miss something......
Old 05-01-2015 | 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
...nobody is going to be happy having the trips they could bid and hold bought and then just put at the top of the reserve list for any trip. Going to Dubai? Try Accra...
I guess that answers my previous question. Seniority rules. Except when it doesn't.
Old 05-01-2015 | 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
I don't think it effects any captains (quite the opposite), but probably will affect them, when senior FO's find it undesirable to stay in the right seat.
It won't "Effect" them but it just might "Affect" them....The "Effect" comes after they've been "Affected"!
Old 05-01-2015 | 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Hrkdrivr
So how was it in the 1113 contract? Get removed from the trip then have a recovery obligation to fly something besides what your seniority got you awarded?
Yes, you basically got dumped at the top of the reserve list and were paid the greater of the original trip or what they assigned you. Totally sucked. Not everyone that plays that game picks up another trip. Some of us just stay home and get paid.
Old 05-01-2015 | 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
I know a lot of Captains that get their trips bought too, so it effect Captains. nobody is going to be happy having the trips they could bid and hold bought and then just put at the top of the reserve list for any trip. Going to Dubai? Try Accra.

I'm sure they get mad seeing a NYC73NB getting GS #9, but, get over it. The people who make a killing on it are truly a small % but it effects everyone.
Exactly. Seems like such a small thing I can't believe the company even notices this anyway. Some Capt or FO is going to get a trip bought and definitely shouldn't have a recovery obligation. It was the company's choice to buy it and it helps them out.
Old 05-01-2015 | 01:30 PM
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I obviously wont mention any names(because it is not official), but I can assure you they are looking at changing it..I agree, we gave up something to get what we have now, and I hope they don't try to change it...I am hearing ALPA is willing to give it up for something in return because they say it only affects a small % of pilots. But in reality it affects all FO's. I hope if they try to change it all FO's say no way, and vote accordingly.
I've heard the same. Including from an LCA who said he heard it from RA himself. My impression they weren't looking to put it under the old system where you basically went to reserve (recovery?). Instead I think they were looking at forecasting, basically figuring how much training in a month. Once they figured a given LCA would have 3 of 4 trips be IOE, they'd pull those trips. As in, once A sched complete, those trips wouldn't even be available to be assigned to Bs.
Old 05-01-2015 | 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Sputnik
I've heard the same. Including from an LCA who said he heard it from RA himself. My impression they weren't looking to put it under the old system where you basically went to reserve (recovery?). Instead I think they were looking at forecasting, basically figuring how much training in a month. Once they figured a given LCA would have 3 of 4 trips be IOE, they'd pull those trips. As in, once A sched complete, those trips wouldn't even be available to be assigned to Bs.
Wow. That wouldn't screw people at all. If you have a senior LCA in category (which is, what, every category?) the good trips are gone.

No trip buy, AND no access to good trips. Two steps back, none forward.
Old 05-01-2015 | 02:02 PM
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Wow. That wouldn't screw people at all. If you have a senior LCA in category (which is, what, every category?) the good trips are gone.

No trip buy, AND no access to good trips. Two steps back, none forward.
I agree. Hopefully all fo's will vote no if anything changes. The junior fo's will be senior soon and wish we still had the current format. Huge concession.
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