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04-14-2015 | 06:18 AM

#180781

Oberon

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From: 757/767

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Originally Posted by LivingTheDream

Looks like CDO's have made their way to us line dogs. Check out ATL 249 on 4-12-15. Sign in 2100, fly to DAB, 6.75hr layover, DH back at 0700.

Called skeds, they said it's ok, called DALPA sked (spoke with F., used to be a Delta sked) she said it's ok. Called my Capt rep., he said contractually it's ok but Delta "agreed" not to make this kind of trip. Asked me to forward the info on the trip... we'll see.

So apparently CDO's are legal... need to re-read my contract.

That's not a CDO, it's a one leg trip worth 10:30 with 1:45 block time and a deadhead to base. The alternative is giving the crew legal rest after the flight and dead heading them home later in the day which is still worth 10:30. The crew has the option to do that anyway by deviating from deadhead.

I have a hard time seeing the issue with the rotation as it's described while trying to figure out how I'm going to get a little sleep before my 4:30 red eye.

04-14-2015 | 06:22 AM

#180782

scambo1

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From: 777B

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Originally Posted by badflaps

Make sure your insurance is paid up. Scoping the dollies in Panama or Columbia, you will surely step in front of a bus.

My 1st assignment was Howard afb. Very good culture.

04-14-2015 | 06:23 AM

#180783

hockeypilot44

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Originally Posted by SawF16

DING DING DING!

This type of rotation has always been buildable, hasn't it? If they want to pay them at 10:30 vs the 7:30 that was going to be in the previous LOA, build away. A guy can get quite a bit of rest on his own time if he only works 7 days and 14 legs for a full schedule.

CDO's were not buildable until we removed our max duty day limitations in the FAR 117 LOA. Now we literally can fly to FAR limits. The LOA initially included cut-out language allowing CDO's to pay less than 10:30. That language was removed due to line pilot complaints. It was assumed there will not be very many CDO's based on the high pay to block hour ratio.

04-14-2015 | 06:35 AM

#180784

PilotFrog

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Looks like a perfect trip for someone who lives in DAB. Commute to ATL at 1600 ish, work to DAB, drive home. Paid 10:30 for half a day.

And it is Colombia. no U

04-14-2015 | 06:42 AM

#180785

Oberon

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Originally Posted by Ed Harley

I suppose so. I think the only reason this trip is legal per FAR 117 is because it's a dead-head on the leg home so it doesn't count as part of your 12 hour duty day. Otherwise he needs 30ish hours off for rest after going over 12 (I think).

Per 117 a pilot is entitled to compensatory rest equal to the length of the duty period in which the deadhead occurred if said duty period exceeds the max duty period listed in the unaugmented table.

For example, if the unaugmented duty period limit is 12 and the deadhead duty period is 13, the pilot needs 13 hours rest before his next flight duty period.

04-14-2015 | 07:01 AM

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Big E 757

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Still no schedules via back door.

04-14-2015 | 07:21 AM

#180787

LivingTheDream

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Originally Posted by MDPilot

Still don't like it, looks too much like a camel's nose under the tent.

This eggzactly! How many pilots are loving the new and improved 8:53, 3 or 4 leg, block hour days?

Last edited by LivingTheDream; 04-14-2015 at 07:36 AM.

04-14-2015 | 07:26 AM

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sailingfun

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Originally Posted by Big E 757

Still no schedules via back door.

Heard they waited till Monday AM to start.

04-14-2015 | 07:26 AM

#180789

Dirtdiver

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Originally Posted by Ed Harley

This came up years ago with me. FO wanted me to call in the crew as too tired to deadhead. I told him he was gonna have to call himself in too tired.

04-14-2015 | 07:34 AM

#180790

LivingTheDream

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Oberon

I have a hard time seeing the issue with the rotation as it's described

You don't see it because this one happens to be a good deal... make a couple of changes (lga/4:59hr sit, no hotel room, wx/mx) and see if it's still ok... but heh, it pays 10:30, right?

It's not about this trip... it's about the potential of these kinds of trips.