In our last (good) contract, year 2000, actually signed in summer of 2001, we did get full retroactive pay, for about 18 months of negotiations. I was a 757 Capt. at the time. My retro check was about $25,000, take home, after taxes, so YES, it can be done.

Trip,
Please show me where I've ever mentioned retro anything.

You weren't here for the sacrifices that made this company what it is. You are riding coat tails and preaching. If I ever meet you in person, you will be the first new hire I didn't pick up the tab for.

There is a line, you are over it.

Brother, you are a piece of work. I invite you to find one solitary post where any one of the above posters has ever posted anything about "retro" pay.

When you don't find any, you can post your apology here.

As for me, I refuse to allow my expecations for C15 to be lowered by you and your ilk.

We don't need to give up ANYTHING!

Sailing, Alpha, Slow, Shiz. Since y'all seem to be in the know with management connections, I have a question. Supposedly RA is saying we don't fly enough and are not productive. How does the company calculate the sick leave used? Hours or days used. IE: call in sick for a 4 day and call in well 6 days later or 2 days into the 4 day trip? Also, I understand they don't like the amount of MIL leave guys are taking(personally know 2010 hires that have less than 200 hours as a Delta pilot). If they don't like this, why do they keep grabbing up the military guys that are still in the guard/reserve? Are they using the MIL leave added to the sick time(days not hours) to skew the productivity of the pilot group?

Actually, not if you're on Reserve. One of the items lost in the second deal was to revert back to a 12-hr LC from a 13-hr LC. Another example of MEC infighting costing real pilots real QOL.

Which isn't to say we can't reject a deal, but I don't know of one precedent where a rejected TA yielded a better deal. Do you?

And are they also using the training churn and redundant staffing for 10ish fleet types, which provides a revenue premium (or so they say), some of which are almost identical to each other, against our "productivity"?

And the company feigned neutrality on CDO's laying blame at the MEC, yet when they were taken out we were penalized.

That's the price of dysfunction, isn't it?

Good point on the training/fleet productivity, btw.