Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
05-12-2015, 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Raging white
Too bad Winston Wolf wasn't on the NC.
Me:"I don't want to hear about no self funding. All I want to hear from your @ss is 'you ain't got no problem line-guy, I'm on the motherf@$&r, go back in there and chill them pilots out and wait for the cavalry, which will be there directly'"
DALPA-"You ain't got no problems line guy. Go back there and chill those pilots out, and wait for the MEC, which will be there directly"
Me -"you sendin the MEC?!!"
DALPA- "Feel better, Mf'er?"
Me " Sh!# DALPA, that's all you had to say"
Me:"I don't want to hear about no self funding. All I want to hear from your @ss is 'you ain't got no problem line-guy, I'm on the motherf@$&r, go back in there and chill them pilots out and wait for the cavalry, which will be there directly'"
DALPA-"You ain't got no problems line guy. Go back there and chill those pilots out, and wait for the MEC, which will be there directly"
Me -"you sendin the MEC?!!"
DALPA- "Feel better, Mf'er?"
Me " Sh!# DALPA, that's all you had to say"
Carl
05-12-2015, 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
Negative. Not anything. I will vote for any gain I believe can't be made up for if we head back to the table.
If you believe the rumored 9-6-4-4 over 3 years can be beat, I invite you to show the math(also accounting for time value of money) on how we can head back to the table and within 3 years get the gains you're looking for plus make up for extra pay not earned due to being at the table. No rhetoric. Just the math.
If you believe the rumored 9-6-4-4 over 3 years can be beat, I invite you to show the math(also accounting for time value of money) on how we can head back to the table and within 3 years get the gains you're looking for plus make up for extra pay not earned due to being at the table. No rhetoric. Just the math.
05-12-2015, 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Hawaii50
Nice. I still love that movie. Wonder what they said to the MEC to make them change their battle plan? Any guesses?
1. Richard - You want a piece of me MFers? I still have the bodies of the NWA MEC in the back of my Prius!!
2. Ed - I will not lose any more sleep over pilot pay! We took your retirement once and we can do it again.
3.
1. Richard - You want a piece of me MFers? I still have the bodies of the NWA MEC in the back of my Prius!!
2. Ed - I will not lose any more sleep over pilot pay! We took your retirement once and we can do it again.
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Carl
05-12-2015, 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
Two years of the same $$$ plus the compound interest would be more beneficial, according to math.
Your investment strategy may be different.
Tell that to the guys that hit the retirement point prior to a deal and get nothing...
Your investment strategy may be different.
Tell that to the guys that hit the retirement point prior to a deal and get nothing...
Carl - Advanced Translation Services
05-12-2015, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Doug Masters
As Carl said earlier, retro pay is historically a part of any contract that goes past the amendable date. There is no rush here.
05-12-2015, 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
Negative. Not anything. I will vote for any gain I believe can't be made up for if we head back to the table.
If you believe the rumored 9-6-4-4 over 3 years can be beat, I invite you to show the math(also accounting for time value of money) on how we can head back to the table and within 3 years get the gains you're looking for plus make up for extra pay not earned due to being at the table. No rhetoric. Just the math.
If you believe the rumored 9-6-4-4 over 3 years can be beat, I invite you to show the math(also accounting for time value of money) on how we can head back to the table and within 3 years get the gains you're looking for plus make up for extra pay not earned due to being at the table. No rhetoric. Just the math.
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05-12-2015, 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
Two years of the same $$$ plus the compound interest would be more beneficial, according to math.
Your investment strategy may be different.
Tell that to the guys that hit the retirement point prior to a deal and get nothing...
Your investment strategy may be different.
Tell that to the guys that hit the retirement point prior to a deal and get nothing...
Are you willing to take two years of a substandard pay raise plus compound interest rather than be patient for an industry leading contract from a company who is making Billions of dollars in large part due to our decade old bankruptcy concessions?
I don't deny the time value of money, I also know that time is on our side in this negotiation. The company is on record as saying they have taken labor risk off the table. The closer we are to the end of the contract, the more labor risk enters the picture. The vote yes now mentality witnessed in C2012 is exactly the reason I've invested every penny of that small pay raise in my personal Vote NO Fund. I wish more of us had done the same.
If the first offer is a TA that meets your survey inputs, please be honest and vote yes. If the initial TA falls short, you owe it to yourself and the other 12k pilots to vote no.
05-12-2015, 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Professor
The question isn't just pay rates though is it? I guess my points all above still apply. Would you choose to adopt someone else's contract as it is if you could right now? I sure wouldn't.
The FedEx guys make as much as our top guys and they make it throughout a far greater range of the seniority list than we do. They also have a DB retirement that is overfunded due to an investment performance that has stood the test of time. I'd take their contract immediately as is. Same for Southwest regarding pay AND to have Southwest's scope would be amazing. I'd take their contract immediately as is.
Originally Posted by Professor
Its not perfect, but saying that the grass is really greener is a bit disingenuous of all of us. I'm as guilty as doing it as any other gear swinger. But we have done well by constantly negotiating rather than fighting one huge battle for a decade (AA for example).
Carl
05-12-2015, 11:49 AM
Straight QOL, homie
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The sales push is on.
05-12-2015, 11:49 AM
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Not one?
Not a single one?
Don't make yourself irrelevant by arguing over facts. That simply is not true.
And it's difficult to use fedex because that is an apple to pears comparison.
Not a single one?
Don't make yourself irrelevant by arguing over facts. That simply is not true.
And it's difficult to use fedex because that is an apple to pears comparison.
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