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Old 05-10-2015 | 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Keep in mind that banking hours to cash in at a higher rate later does not work out like most think. You are banking hours not pay. If you work one hour now and bank it the rate is the same as if you work that hour next year. Either way you work one hour. Banking hours is best used if you want to build a big block of time off at a later date.
Exactly. It's not possible to cash out 40 hrs of bank at once unless you PD most of your trips. I don't have the contract in front of me, but I believe you cash up to the ALV+15 or max 82 hours, whichever is less. And if you GS you can't cash out more than 5 hours.

You're better off buying vacation days.
Old 05-10-2015 | 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Keep in mind that banking hours to cash in at a higher rate later does not work out like most think. You are banking hours not pay. If you work one hour now and bank it the rate is the same as if you work that hour next year. Either way you work one hour. Banking hours is best used if you want to build a big block of time off at a later date.
But your rate the following year will be higher. Especially if you are on 1st - 3rd year pay where you get the largest longevity raises. I always banked everything I could during the 1st couple years. If you can bank an hour at 1st year pay of $78 and then cash it in a couple years later for $110 how is that not good deal? Maybe I'm overlooking something. Also, is there a max you can build your bank up to? I thought I read 60 somewhere but I couldn't find it.
Old 05-10-2015 | 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Keep in mind that banking hours to cash in at a higher rate later does not work out like most think. You are banking hours not pay. If you work one hour now and bank it the rate is the same as if you work that hour next year. Either way you work one hour. Banking hours is best used if you want to build a big block of time off at a later date.
That is completely 100% dead wrong.

When you withdraw an hour it is at your current rate, not your rate when it was deposited.

If you make a bank deposit of one hour while you are on probation you can withdraw that same hour the next year at 2nd year pay.

The best time to bank hours is if you are expecting an upgrade from FO to Captain. You can bank those hours at the FO payrate and withdraw them at Captain payrate.
If you play it correctly, up to 60 hours of your time as an FO you could be making Captain pay.
Old 05-10-2015 | 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Keep in mind that banking hours to cash in at a higher rate later does not work out like most think. You are banking hours not pay. If you work one hour now and bank it the rate is the same as if you work that hour next year. Either way you work one hour. Banking hours is best used if you want to build a big block of time off at a later date.
This is not true. As you say, you bank hours and not pay. If you bank an hour as an FO, you lose one hour of pay that month at your FO pay rate. If you later withdraw that hour as a Captain, you add one hour of pay that month at your Captain pay rate.
Old 05-10-2015 | 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
I believe you cash up to the ALV+15 or max 82 hours, whichever is less.
Close. It's ALV +5 or 82, whichever is less.
Old 05-10-2015 | 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
Exactly. It's not possible to cash out 40 hrs of bank at once unless you PD most of your trips. I don't have the contract in front of me, but I believe you cash up to the ALV+15 or max 82 hours, whichever is less. And if you GS you can't cash out more than 5 hours.

You're better off buying vacation days.
The withdrawal limit per bid period is the lesser of ALV+5 or 82.

You could personal drop your entire month and use the bank to still get paid.

Assuming you had a 60 hour balance you could withdraw all of that and borrow 22 hours and you would get paid 82 hours without flying a single minute.
Old 05-10-2015 | 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
Assuming you had a 60 hour balance you could withdraw all of that and borrow 12 hours and you would get paid 82 hours without flying a single minute.
Math in public....
Old 05-10-2015 | 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Jughead135
Math in public....
HA! Yep. Fixed it.
Old 05-10-2015 | 07:43 AM
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Thanks again, the continuing discussion was extremely informative. I feel like I've got a good handle on the bank and GS pay rules now.
Old 05-10-2015 | 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Alan Shore
This is not true. As you say, you bank hours and not pay. If you bank an hour as an FO, you lose one hour of pay that month at your FO pay rate. If you later withdraw that hour as a Captain, you add one hour of pay that month at your Captain pay rate.
You still worked the exact same hour for the pay. You simply time shifted when you do the work. If you want more time off at a later date works well.
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