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Old 08-01-2015 | 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
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We had 12,500 pilots when we merged.

We have 13,000 now.

The block hours are up 30%.

30% of 12,500 is 3750 more pilots. Not 500.

These numbers are ball park but you get the idea.

Want a good deal? Ask our negotiators if the have 2 $20s for a $10.
Jerry, you are talking about contract 2012. Block hours are up 12.1% in that time frame. Due the math on the hiring.
Could you also provide a source for the 30% increase in pilot block hours. We shrunk virtually every year since the merger until 2012.
Block hours flown per pilot at Delta in 2007 was 49.9. Block hours flown per pilot in 2014 43.3.

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Old 08-01-2015 | 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
No kidding. I'm budgeted for 70 hours at 100 bucks an hour!

I budget myself for DAL new hire training pay, in hopes that I'm on it soon!

Everything else is straight to savings/retirement.
Old 08-01-2015 | 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
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We had 12,500 pilots when we merged.

We have 13,000 now.

The block hours are up 30%.

30% of 12,500 is 3750 more pilots. Not 500.

These numbers are ball park but you get the idea.

Want a good deal? Ask our negotiators if the have 2 $20s for a $10.
Found the block hours each year. In 2007 NWA and Delta combined had just over 3,000,000 block hours. In 2014 we had 2,790,414 block hours. Shrinking is a far cry from 30% growth.
I am having a hard time believing you were even around from 07-12. Every pilot I know remembers nothing but displacement after displacement as aircraft were parked. We had one little uptake and then the crash of 09 hit.
Old 08-01-2015 | 03:04 PM
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Another 25 but the dust, that makes 148 people retired this year. Keep the trend going.
Old 08-02-2015 | 05:40 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
It's a TA issue only because they won't need to staff for the E190. The posted yearly numbers did not include that airframe so will stay in the 800 to 900 range.
I didn't see E-190 purchase in the TA? We don't buy them, and we certainly don't finance them with concessions. Tell your friends I'm also not a fan of "company commits to ....." Put it in the TA or it isn't real.
Old 08-02-2015 | 06:01 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Jerry, all you have to do is look at the increase in jobs verses the increase in block hours to verify jobs gained or lost. I posted numbers in the past. You also overlook that crew planning in roadshows stated they made no manning changes for contract 2012.
DALPA posted how much hiring they expected over the course of contract 2012. We will easily exceed that number. Also keep in mind that in addition to the hiring we started with a 400 to 600 pilot surplus and had 200 pilots return from furlough and mil leave.
Lots of data and "reasons" after the fact. When Steve Dickson suggested that hiring would start right after TA passage, the folks at DALPA were conspicuously quiet if all this data to refute his claim was available.
Pilots don't usually make the same mistake twice if they got burned the first time. Credibility is gone when it comes to DAL getting new jets based on the pilots' contract.
Old 08-02-2015 | 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Raging white
Lots of data and "reasons" after the fact. When Steve Dickson suggested that hiring would start right after TA passage, the folks at DALPA were conspicuously quiet if all this data to refute his claim was available.
Pilots don't usually make the same mistake twice if they got burned the first time. Credibility is gone when it comes to DAL getting new jets based on the pilots' contract.
The company took every single jet they promised to get as a result of contract 2012 plus quite a few extras. DALPA predicted a mainline fleet of 796 airframes by 2016. A number widely stated as total BS by the forum. How many jets will we have by 31 DEC?
Old 08-02-2015 | 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
The company took every single jet they promised to get as a result of contract 2012 plus quite a few extras. DALPA predicted a mainline fleet of 796 airframes by 2016. A number widely stated as total BS by the forum. How many jets will we have by 31 DEC?
The omission of comments on the HIRING that Dickson alluded to continues.
That was my point.
If DALPA had data to refute Dickson's claims, as you suggest, they kept it to themselves.
Old 08-02-2015 | 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Raging white
The omission of comments on the HIRING that Dickson alluded to continues.
That was my point.
If DALPA had data to refute Dickson's claims, as you suggest, they kept it to themselves.
I guess I don't get your point on hiring. It was put out by the company many times why they did not hire in the winter of 13. The biggest was a company freeze on hiring because senior management made a decision that showing a first quarter profit was more important long term financially then short term staffing. They never planned on hiring more then 150 pilots that winter anyway and much of it was made up by mil and furlough guys returning. We have easily exceeded the number of pilots predicted to be hired as a result of contract 2012.
Dixon also never promised hiring right after the contract. His actual statement said that we might begin the hiring process in late 2012. It takes several months to get the hiring process set up.
Still don't get what this has to do with aircraft deliveries. The aircraft showed up when and as promised.
Old 08-02-2015 | 08:39 AM
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