Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
08-01-2015, 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by 300SMK
I'm sure Delta wanted to establish a compressed training program that caters to DCI E175s to DL E190/5s transition. A week of Indoc and a week of sims? Also sure it would have had bi-directional capability.
Anyway, I don't think Delta's underwriter would take too kindly to such a program.
08-01-2015, 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Jerry, all you have to do is look at the increase in jobs verses the increase in block hours to verify jobs gained or lost. I posted numbers in the past. You also overlook that crew planning in roadshows stated they made no manning changes for contract 2012.
DALPA posted how much hiring they expected over the course of contract 2012. We will easily exceed that number. Also keep in mind that in addition to the hiring we started with a 400 to 600 pilot surplus and had 200 pilots return from furlough and mil leave.
DALPA posted how much hiring they expected over the course of contract 2012. We will easily exceed that number. Also keep in mind that in addition to the hiring we started with a 400 to 600 pilot surplus and had 200 pilots return from furlough and mil leave.
Sailing
We had 12,500 pilots when we merged.
We have 13,000 now.
The block hours are up 30%.
30% of 12,500 is 3750 more pilots. Not 500.
These numbers are ball park but you get the idea.
Want a good deal? Ask our negotiators if the have 2 $20s for a $10.
08-01-2015, 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
Sailing
We had 12,500 pilots when we merged.
We have 13,000 now.
The block hours are up 30%.
30% of 12,500 is 3750 more pilots. Not 500.
These numbers are ball park but you get the idea.
Want a good deal? Ask our negotiators if the have 2 $20s for a $10.
We had 12,500 pilots when we merged.
We have 13,000 now.
The block hours are up 30%.
30% of 12,500 is 3750 more pilots. Not 500.
These numbers are ball park but you get the idea.
Want a good deal? Ask our negotiators if the have 2 $20s for a $10.
Could you also provide a source for the 30% increase in pilot block hours. We shrunk virtually every year since the merger until 2012.
Block hours flown per pilot at Delta in 2007 was 49.9. Block hours flown per pilot in 2014 43.3.
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08-01-2015, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
No kidding. I'm budgeted for 70 hours at 100 bucks an hour!
I budget myself for DAL new hire training pay, in hopes that I'm on it soon!
Everything else is straight to savings/retirement.
08-01-2015, 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
Sailing
We had 12,500 pilots when we merged.
We have 13,000 now.
The block hours are up 30%.
30% of 12,500 is 3750 more pilots. Not 500.
These numbers are ball park but you get the idea.
Want a good deal? Ask our negotiators if the have 2 $20s for a $10.
We had 12,500 pilots when we merged.
We have 13,000 now.
The block hours are up 30%.
30% of 12,500 is 3750 more pilots. Not 500.
These numbers are ball park but you get the idea.
Want a good deal? Ask our negotiators if the have 2 $20s for a $10.
I am having a hard time believing you were even around from 07-12. Every pilot I know remembers nothing but displacement after displacement as aircraft were parked. We had one little uptake and then the crash of 09 hit.
08-01-2015, 03:04 PM
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Another 25 but the dust, that makes 148 people retired this year. Keep the trend going.
08-02-2015, 05:40 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
It's a TA issue only because they won't need to staff for the E190. The posted yearly numbers did not include that airframe so will stay in the 800 to 900 range.
08-02-2015, 06:01 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Jerry, all you have to do is look at the increase in jobs verses the increase in block hours to verify jobs gained or lost. I posted numbers in the past. You also overlook that crew planning in roadshows stated they made no manning changes for contract 2012.
DALPA posted how much hiring they expected over the course of contract 2012. We will easily exceed that number. Also keep in mind that in addition to the hiring we started with a 400 to 600 pilot surplus and had 200 pilots return from furlough and mil leave.
DALPA posted how much hiring they expected over the course of contract 2012. We will easily exceed that number. Also keep in mind that in addition to the hiring we started with a 400 to 600 pilot surplus and had 200 pilots return from furlough and mil leave.
Pilots don't usually make the same mistake twice if they got burned the first time. Credibility is gone when it comes to DAL getting new jets based on the pilots' contract.
08-02-2015, 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Raging white
Lots of data and "reasons" after the fact. When Steve Dickson suggested that hiring would start right after TA passage, the folks at DALPA were conspicuously quiet if all this data to refute his claim was available.
Pilots don't usually make the same mistake twice if they got burned the first time. Credibility is gone when it comes to DAL getting new jets based on the pilots' contract.
Pilots don't usually make the same mistake twice if they got burned the first time. Credibility is gone when it comes to DAL getting new jets based on the pilots' contract.
08-02-2015, 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
The company took every single jet they promised to get as a result of contract 2012 plus quite a few extras. DALPA predicted a mainline fleet of 796 airframes by 2016. A number widely stated as total BS by the forum. How many jets will we have by 31 DEC?
That was my point.
If DALPA had data to refute Dickson's claims, as you suggest, they kept it to themselves.
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