Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
06-06-2015 | 06:07 AM
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Actually, I think they had about three straight years of having the lowest fuel cost amongst the majors. Everyone just notices the quarter or two when they are higher. Sort of like no one notices all the good landings it's just when I clank one on that they make a comment.
If I actually ever made a bad landing that is. I deny everything.
If I actually ever made a bad landing that is. I deny everything.
06-06-2015 | 06:12 AM
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Any rumors about pay banding?
06-06-2015 | 06:16 AM
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Fully expect to be asked to fly more. But I don't buy that only a 5 percent raise would have been accepted as the best they could negotiate 6 months before the amenable date - call me an optimist. Sounds like trying to lower expectations so 9% sounds more palatable (with 20-40% being my personal expectation depending on other variables).
I would expect to see somewhere in the neighborhood of 20% initial increase and like 5%/yr there after. BUT I bet they try to oust the profit sharing or at least increase the profit threshold where we are paid the higher percentage. Either way you look at it 1) higher pay rates % lower profit sharing or 2) lower pay rate increase & more profit sharing, the company will probably be paying out the same $$.
It will be interesting to see the TA. If it is substandard to our expectations I hope the members throw it back to the MEC by a huge margin. I myself am 1 for 3 on voting yes over the last decade.
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06-06-2015 | 06:40 AM
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At least your spamming is consistent. Mods, can we consolidate all of these identical posts into a special Jerry thread so I can enjoy them all at once?
Jerry, is this specific info gleaned from someone in the know? If so, please share your source. There is clearly a comm vacuum that is begging to be filled with any tidbit of information.
If you spread your made up numbers (with no context of the entire deal btw) for the next 5 days, I'd argue that you are actually helping the company lower our expectations.
To use your numbers (that I don't buy unless you can name a source):
Jerry says PS will be reduced by 5.75%
Hypothetical TA comes out and it is reduced by 2%.
Suddenly that doesn't sound so bad since Jerry has had us all bracing for a larger offset. Win!
For another example, let's go with everything you say as true, but we somehow achieved a min day of 8 hours, resulting in a huge increase in W2 and lots more time off....Now how does the TA look? Bullet points (especially fabricated ones) are useless without context.
We could do this for the next 5 days; making up BS* and arguing about it. I don't expect it to stop, and don't really care, but wouldn't it be more civilized if we allow the oft-slandered "process" to work itself out, and THEN pick it apart when we have the facts. I know I look forward to seeing the whole package (good and bad) and the spirited debates that will come with it.
*Jerry, as I've said before, I know you're a great guy in person. We've flown together and I thoroughly enjoyed the whole 5 days. I will happily retract my statement above and apologize if you can put up your source and/or provide concrete details of the TA. Everyone I know that has seen the deal isn't talking about it. If you know something different, please share.
Jerry, is this specific info gleaned from someone in the know? If so, please share your source. There is clearly a comm vacuum that is begging to be filled with any tidbit of information.
If you spread your made up numbers (with no context of the entire deal btw) for the next 5 days, I'd argue that you are actually helping the company lower our expectations.
To use your numbers (that I don't buy unless you can name a source):
Jerry says PS will be reduced by 5.75%
Hypothetical TA comes out and it is reduced by 2%.
Suddenly that doesn't sound so bad since Jerry has had us all bracing for a larger offset. Win!
For another example, let's go with everything you say as true, but we somehow achieved a min day of 8 hours, resulting in a huge increase in W2 and lots more time off....Now how does the TA look? Bullet points (especially fabricated ones) are useless without context.
We could do this for the next 5 days; making up BS* and arguing about it. I don't expect it to stop, and don't really care, but wouldn't it be more civilized if we allow the oft-slandered "process" to work itself out, and THEN pick it apart when we have the facts. I know I look forward to seeing the whole package (good and bad) and the spirited debates that will come with it.
*Jerry, as I've said before, I know you're a great guy in person. We've flown together and I thoroughly enjoyed the whole 5 days. I will happily retract my statement above and apologize if you can put up your source and/or provide concrete details of the TA. Everyone I know that has seen the deal isn't talking about it. If you know something different, please share.
Agreed. Based on the rumors, I am in the "no" camp at this point, but certainly actual facts could change that.. But jeeesh, when you sign on to "chit chat" and there are 8 threads started by the same person and then 50 tag on posts, it really makes you want to avoid being in that camp. And to be fair and balanced, there are guys promoting the product that have the same effect on me as well.
06-06-2015 | 07:21 AM
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I was referring to Q4, 2014, where Delta reported fuel hedging losses of $2billion. While that will cover some of 2015 fuel expenses, it's still an incredible amount of money. If any one of us gambled on our fuel plannning, and lost the bet, we'd be held accountable. I would suggest a more conservative approach in fuel hedging, which Delta is now adhering to.
06-06-2015 | 07:30 AM
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Crap!! I was OUT, and I'm dragged back in reading BS rumors about the TA. There goes my 6 month chip
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06-06-2015 | 07:58 AM
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Well....
At least you lasted longer than T.
He made up a neat new named though.
We can all start working on chips again after the recall process is over IF this TA is as bad as some reps are alluding to.
06-06-2015 | 08:06 AM
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"My deep throat source is better than your source'........"No mine is"
But, to be fair.........I just limited myself to 10 pages back. Has anyone set up a pool? How much does closest to the pin get
Ferd
PS.........who is TSquare now?
06-06-2015 | 08:12 AM
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At least your spamming is consistent. Mods, can we consolidate all of these identical posts into a special Jerry thread so I can enjoy them all at once?
Jerry, is this specific info gleaned from someone in the know? If so, please share your source. There is clearly a comm vacuum that is begging to be filled with any tidbit of information.
If you spread your made up numbers (with no context of the entire deal btw) for the next 5 days, I'd argue that you are actually helping the company lower our expectations.
To use your numbers (that I don't buy unless you can name a source):
Jerry says PS will be reduced by 5.75%
Hypothetical TA comes out and it is reduced by 2%.
Suddenly that doesn't sound so bad since Jerry has had us all bracing for a larger offset. Win!
For another example, let's go with everything you say as true, but we somehow achieved a min day of 8 hours, resulting in a huge increase in W2 and lots more time off....Now how does the TA look? Bullet points (especially fabricated ones) are useless without context.
We could do this for the next 5 days; making up BS* and arguing about it. I don't expect it to stop, and don't really care, but wouldn't it be more civilized if we allow the oft-slandered "process" to work itself out, and THEN pick it apart when we have the facts. I know I look forward to seeing the whole package (good and bad) and the spirited debates that will come with it.
*Jerry, as I've said before, I know you're a great guy in person. We've flown together and I thoroughly enjoyed the whole 5 days. I will happily retract my statement above and apologize if you can put up your source and/or provide concrete details of the TA. Everyone I know that has seen the deal isn't talking about it. If you know something different, please share.
Jerry, is this specific info gleaned from someone in the know? If so, please share your source. There is clearly a comm vacuum that is begging to be filled with any tidbit of information.
If you spread your made up numbers (with no context of the entire deal btw) for the next 5 days, I'd argue that you are actually helping the company lower our expectations.
To use your numbers (that I don't buy unless you can name a source):
Jerry says PS will be reduced by 5.75%
Hypothetical TA comes out and it is reduced by 2%.
Suddenly that doesn't sound so bad since Jerry has had us all bracing for a larger offset. Win!
For another example, let's go with everything you say as true, but we somehow achieved a min day of 8 hours, resulting in a huge increase in W2 and lots more time off....Now how does the TA look? Bullet points (especially fabricated ones) are useless without context.
We could do this for the next 5 days; making up BS* and arguing about it. I don't expect it to stop, and don't really care, but wouldn't it be more civilized if we allow the oft-slandered "process" to work itself out, and THEN pick it apart when we have the facts. I know I look forward to seeing the whole package (good and bad) and the spirited debates that will come with it.
*Jerry, as I've said before, I know you're a great guy in person. We've flown together and I thoroughly enjoyed the whole 5 days. I will happily retract my statement above and apologize if you can put up your source and/or provide concrete details of the TA. Everyone I know that has seen the deal isn't talking about it. If you know something different, please share.
Regarding information, it's really not a total vacuum. Council 1 was pretty specific when they said just a few days ago: "The company's shopping cart is quite full already, and ours, not so much." I think we can all agree that the company's shopping cart wouldn't contain gains for pilots.
So what we know for certain is that the TA signed by our negotiating committee contains so many concessions in it (yes concessions), that the council 1 reps couldn't imagine the company's shopping cart holding any more concessions. We also know that the council 1 reps were underwhelmed at the gains that were in our cart.
So in the best negotiating environment we'll likely EVER see again in our lifetimes, our MEC administration brings us a TA with numerous concessions for us and minimal gains for us. Donutelli asked us to give his administration the chance to show us what they can do in the first real Section 6 in over a decade...and this is what they bring.
Carl
06-06-2015 | 08:15 AM
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I just wish the rumors had some consistency, the numbers seem to be all over the charts.
"My deep throat source is better than your source'........"No mine is"
But, to be fair.........I just limited myself to 10 pages back. Has anyone set up a pool? How much does closest to the pin get
Ferd
PS.........who is TSquare now?
"My deep throat source is better than your source'........"No mine is"
But, to be fair.........I just limited myself to 10 pages back. Has anyone set up a pool? How much does closest to the pin get
Ferd
PS.........who is TSquare now?
Tsquare is now Bender Rodriguez.
Go figure.
Carl
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