Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
06-05-2015 | 11:15 AM
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I understand your need to twist people's predictions, but if Delta had shrunk the airline, you'd be pounding the table right now saying you can't blame that on C2012. And you'd be right.
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06-05-2015 | 11:18 AM
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06-05-2015 | 11:19 AM
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He was making predictions based on C2012...not the economies of the future. He was wrong about economic predictions but right about C2012's impact on jobs. If Delta decided to stagnate, there would have been job losses resulting from C2012 and boog would have predicted correctly. If Delta had decided to shrink the airline, then it would have been unfair to blame the shrinkage job losses on C2012...only the job losses resulting from our concessions in C2012.
I understand your need to twist people's predictions, but if Delta had shrunk the airline, you'd be pounding the table right now saying you can't blame that on C2012. And you'd be right.
Carl
I understand your need to twist people's predictions, but if Delta had shrunk the airline, you'd be pounding the table right now saying you can't blame that on C2012. And you'd be right.
Carl
Ok.
Enjoy the last word.
06-05-2015 | 11:27 AM
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Almost certainly the answer is NO. The grievance settlement has NO EFFECT on the PWA. Contract language could not be involved or the MEC chairman would not have had the power to settle the grievance. The MEC chairman cannot unilaterally change the contract.
Also, as long as we're pointing out inaccuracies, the original JV balance wasn't 52%. It was 50% when it was just AF and DL. Then 52% with AF and KLM. Then 50% when Alitalia was added.
Also, as long as we're pointing out inaccuracies, the original JV balance wasn't 52%. It was 50% when it was just AF and DL. Then 52% with AF and KLM. Then 50% when Alitalia was added.
06-05-2015 | 11:41 AM
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Although, to be fair, they weren't even at 50% when they signed the agreement (if my memory serves). They agreed to that level based on overly-optimistic predictions. It cost them $30,000,000.
I don't know the costing numbers, so I won't comment yet on whether that penalty was appropriate.
06-05-2015 | 11:58 AM
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True.
Although, to be fair, they weren't even at 50% when they signed the agreement (if my memory serves). They agreed to that level based on overly-optimistic predictions. It cost them $30,000,000.
I don't know the costing numbers, so I won't comment yet on whether that penalty was appropriate.
Although, to be fair, they weren't even at 50% when they signed the agreement (if my memory serves). They agreed to that level based on overly-optimistic predictions. It cost them $30,000,000.
I don't know the costing numbers, so I won't comment yet on whether that penalty was appropriate.
06-05-2015 | 12:00 PM
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That's too bad for them. They also gambled on fuel hedging and lost much more than that. Did they get to go back to the hedge fund and tell them they are not going to pay up? The bottom line is they AGREED to a contract and then failed to honor that. Now we need language in this contract that does not allow them to continue to do that.
06-05-2015 | 12:03 PM
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That's too bad for them. They also gambled on fuel hedging and lost much more than that. Did they get to go back to the hedge fund and tell them they are not going to pay up? The bottom line is they AGREED to a contract and then failed to honor that. Now we need language in this contract that does not allow them to continue to do that.
06-05-2015 | 12:27 PM
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06-05-2015 | 03:26 PM
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If we flew our planes as successfully as Delta hedges fuel, I can assume we be practicing ditching quite often in the simulator.
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