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Old 06-05-2015 | 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Hank Kingsley
If we flew our planes as successfully as Delta hedges fuel, I can assume we be practicing ditching quite often in the simulator.
Actually, I think they had about three straight years of having the lowest fuel cost amongst the majors. Everyone just notices the quarter or two when they are higher. Sort of like no one notices all the good landings it's just when I clank one on that they make a comment.

If I actually ever made a bad landing that is. I deny everything.
Old 06-05-2015 | 08:34 PM
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Sorry to intrude-

any chance one of you guys/gals could look up the NRT-MSP flights on the 7th/8th and let me know what the loads look like? specifically which one has the higher probability of getting business while jumpseating? also how many non revs there are?

Thanks

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Old 06-05-2015 | 09:29 PM
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Just heard a leak from a Union guy. TA will include:

5% Pay raise based on flying 20% more.

That's all I could get out of him.

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Old 06-05-2015 | 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by bigdaddie
Just heard a leak from a Union guy. TA will include:

5% Pay raise based on flying 20% more.

That's all I could get out of him.

BD
You sure it wasn't a guy from the Onion? I'm sceptical these days.
Old 06-05-2015 | 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by TED74
You sure it wasn't a guy from the Onion? I'm sceptical these days.
If it's a rumor based on getting us to fly more than we are already flying, don't be skeptical.

Delta has more than enough money. They do not have more then enough pilots.

I'd be surprised if this new TA doesn't reflect that.
Old 06-05-2015 | 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by newKnow
If it's a rumor based on getting us to fly more than we are already flying, don't be skeptical.

Delta has more than enough money. They do not have more then enough pilots.

I'd be surprised if this new TA doesn't reflect that.
Fully expect to be asked to fly more. But I don't buy that only a 5 percent raise would have been accepted as the best they could negotiate 6 months before the amenable date - call me an optimist. Sounds like trying to lower expectations so 9% sounds more palatable (with 20-40% being my personal expectation depending on other variables).
Old 06-06-2015 | 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by newKnow
If it's a rumor based on getting us to fly more than we are already flying, don't be skeptical.

Delta has more than enough money. They do not have more then enough pilots.

I'd be surprised if this new TA doesn't reflect that.

Don't have more than enough pilots? OC Miller's news letter released today just stated hiring was slowing down...only 300 more for the rest of 2015, which is less than 50/mo.

Crew resources news letter just said their need for hiring is slowing down too...

If Delta needs more pilots, why the decision to slow down?

I bet the TA sold the farm on productivity.

What happened to more money AND more time off?????
Old 06-06-2015 | 01:44 AM
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And the Oscar for best underwater overboob scene in a drama goes too....

Alexandra Daddario in San Andreas!

Old 06-06-2015 | 02:18 AM
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Billions for the shareholders and 6,0,1,1 after inflation for the pilots.

I don't know how Ed will be able to sleep.

Simply ignoring the survey and reducing profit sharing (if the 5.75% reduction is true) is grounds to recall all yes voters.

Captain Mike Donatelli MEC Chairman "You have told us you want to retain profit sharing."

It doesn't get much simplier than that.
Old 06-06-2015 | 04:56 AM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
Billions for the shareholders and 6,0,1,1 after inflation for the pilots.

I don't know how Ed will be able to sleep.

Simply ignoring the survey and reducing profit sharing (if the 5.75% reduction is true) is grounds to recall all yes voters.

Captain Mike Donatelli MEC Chairman "You have told us you want to retain profit sharing."

It doesn't get much simplier than that.
At least your spamming is consistent. Mods, can we consolidate all of these identical posts into a special Jerry thread so I can enjoy them all at once?

Jerry, is this specific info gleaned from someone in the know? If so, please share your source. There is clearly a comm vacuum that is begging to be filled with any tidbit of information.

If you spread your made up numbers (with no context of the entire deal btw) for the next 5 days, I'd argue that you are actually helping the company lower our expectations.

To use your numbers (that I don't buy unless you can name a source):

Jerry says PS will be reduced by 5.75%

Hypothetical TA comes out and it is reduced by 2%.

Suddenly that doesn't sound so bad since Jerry has had us all bracing for a larger offset. Win!

For another example, let's go with everything you say as true, but we somehow achieved a min day of 8 hours, resulting in a huge increase in W2 and lots more time off....Now how does the TA look? Bullet points (especially fabricated ones) are useless without context.

We could do this for the next 5 days; making up BS* and arguing about it. I don't expect it to stop, and don't really care, but wouldn't it be more civilized if we allow the oft-slandered "process" to work itself out, and THEN pick it apart when we have the facts. I know I look forward to seeing the whole package (good and bad) and the spirited debates that will come with it.



*Jerry, as I've said before, I know you're a great guy in person. We've flown together and I thoroughly enjoyed the whole 5 days. I will happily retract my statement above and apologize if you can put up your source and/or provide concrete details of the TA. Everyone I know that has seen the deal isn't talking about it. If you know something different, please share.
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