Almost certainly the answer is NO. The grievance settlement has NO EFFECT on the PWA. Contract language could not be involved or the MEC chairman would not have had the power to settle the grievance. The MEC chairman cannot unilaterally change the contract.

Also, as long as we're pointing out inaccuracies, the original JV balance wasn't 52%. It was 50% when it was just AF and DL. Then 52% with AF and KLM. Then 50% when Alitalia was added.

 

Boog, please. Let's be honest here.

You wrote that in three years there would be a lot less (sic) DAL pilots. In fact, there are over 800 more Delta pilots on the property today.

You wrote that there would be stagnation. In fact, there have been hundreds of pilots advancing to higher paying equipment every year since 2012.

You wrote that the W2s wouldn't increase. In fact, in just straight pay rates alone, (not counting b-plan, profit sharing, or the aforementioned advancements) Delta pilots are making 23.9% more than they were in 2012.

You wrote that "we didn't think they would do that." In fact, we knew very well that they would do that.

I'm not here to debate 2012, and I apologize for rehashing it. My only motivation was to point out that 2012 was not the disaster that many (including your reps) predicted, and just maybe, this one won't be either.

And thanks for not calling me a wuss!

 

We are flying our a$$es off.. We are shorthanded. What did you expect? Take a pay cut?

I do not want to fly myself to an age 66 grave. Do you get that? Our pay can double if we flew 100 hours a month and cut the seniority list. GS baby! Not for me, i did not sign up to ***** out.

TEN

 

Great. We're both on record and we both can't be right. I look forward to being the one that apologizes.

You're right, thanks for correcting me. I shouldn't have used the word "original", I should have said: "The 52% of the JV flying that was due the Delta pilots when KLM was added."

Carl

 

Ten,

The number I referenced was to pay rates only. But assuming that guys are flying more, that only further illustrates my point that Boog was incorrect when he predicted out W2s would stay the same.

Mind you, I'm not endorsing flying more. If I wanted to work, I'd have chosen another profession.

 

Boog was right here Mantooth. C2012 was not the genesis of the growth we're seeing. That was decided by management based on their study of the marketplace.

If the company had decided to shrink the airline and furlough as a result of the marketplace realities, it would have been disingenuous to blame C2012 for those job losses. It's just as disingenuous for you to claim that C2012 was the reason that we've seen job growth now.

With regard to C2012 and jobs, there is no question that C2012 had job LOSSES baked into it. Not even the MEC disagrees with that. What saved us is that the market (and Delta management's reaction to it) decided that growing the airline would be best.

Carl

 

You're welcome.

IF anything in Section One changes, it won't be due to the grievance settlement. That settlement must stand alone, and cannot affect the PWA.

I have no idea if Section One in the TA includes any changes. Nor am I making any predictions. I'm simply answering the question posed. If there are changes to the PWA, they cannot be done by the MEC Chairman in the settlement process.

To illustrate that, if the TA fails, Section One will remain as is. The JV settlement will not change it.

 

So his predictions came to fruition?

We have less (sic) DAL pilots?
We stagnated?
Our W2s didn't grow?

How was he right?

Good Lord, if we're not going to be honest with each other here, why are we even bothering to have a conversation?

 

Just to be clear, if this grievance settlement does NOT include an agreement to get back above the JV minimum and a timeline to do so, that represents a permanent reset of our scope. If the company decides to stay in violation again, we grieve it again and they pay us again. That's the new legal precedent. The only way that's not the case is if this grievance settlement includes a remedy and timeline. If there was, the MEC administration would have said so. They didn't. That's why I'm quite certain there is no such remedy or timeline.

We shall see.

Carl

 

I understand your position, I just disagree with your premise. Absent a vote by the MEC or a new PWA, section one remains intact.

I do understand your point, though.

It is my hope that the TA contains stronger language re: JVs.