Cart in front of the horse, nobody's seen the POS. ***** about it when you at least see it.

 

Yeah, I know! ....the FDX and SWA pilots have been using a different method for the last few years and are achieving spectacular results.

 

Our survey was clear, DO NOT REDUCE OUR PROFIT SHARING.

Every yes voter on the MEC must be recalled.

This TA is worse than C2012.

 

AT LEAST THEY aren't SELLING contractual protections and benefits for a dues increase! Better off doing nothing at this point!

 

Did someone publish the survey results?

And the TA?

Seriously. If we are at a recall stage, already, you have read the entire TA...right?

 

Have you seen the entire TA? Jeeze, wait until the thing is actually published at least before you proclaim it's a POS.

 

You make a good point (#3):

Reasons to keep the survey results secret -

1) Easier to claim success of achieving the goals
2) Easier to deny certain concessions were supposedly not ranked as important to keep by the participants
3) Job protection: Hard to prove the MEC didn't act in the best interests of what the pilots wanted if you can't produce survey results.

 

I think we are all going through the 5 phases of the death of this once in a lifetime opportuntiy.

Certainly denial and anger.

We have been played again from the start by the same players, but we can save this opportuntiy.

We can recall all the yes voting reps and vote No on MEMRAT.

There are the same scumbags making the same threats as last time. We must ignore them and hold out for the deal we deserve.

No one contributed more to the success Delta enjoys today.

Our billions In life changing concessions.

Our skills.

Our experience.

Our leadership.

All their threats are empty. Management cannot and will not go to war with us. Not now, not ever.

THEY ARE BLUFFING

 

Yeah, their current contracts lead the industry in nearly every section and our contract leads in not a single one. Their methods sure suck alright.

Carl

 

Shiznit-
I don't know what's in this TA and therefore can't tell you if I'm for it or against it. But I do know one thing. The argument you make in that post really irritates me.

I'm mighty tired of my union being 100% passive, compliant and scared.
Scared of Anderson, scared of the NMB and scared of their own shadow.
And what's worse is using that fear as a weapon to control the membership.
We are not SWA or FDX or AMR.

There are plenty of things we can legally do to exert pressure on management to bargain in good faith. They seem to place great value on their success at taking labor risk off the table at Delta. The first thing we could do is start acting like a real union and put that risk right back on the table. FAST. And in a BIG WAY.

If this TA were to be rejected and Mr. Anderson stops bargaining in good faith and says he's going to go the "traditional route" (putting us "on ice" for years) the first thing we should announce is that we are putting him on ice and making it the #1 goal of ALPA to organize and unionize the flight attendants and mechanics and every other labor group on this property.

ALPA has had an official policy of letting the other employee groups twist in the wind while incompetent organization drives sputtered and stalled and failed. That policy of helping management defeat the other unions would end immediately. And you know what? I think we would succeed. We could have about 3 more unions at this company within a year. I think that might get management's attention.

And that would only be the first thing I would do. There's about 8 more.

So please knock it off with the "fear factor" posts -- telling pilots that if we don't capitulate to management's every wish then we will have to wait years to get a new contract. Its not true. We are NOT helpless. We CAN say no to management demands without getting put on ice.

I know ALPA doesn't want to abandon Moakism and the whole constructive relationship with management. Its been good for ALPA. It saves them a lot of money. But there comes a point when the pilots might have to stand up and defend ourselves. Whether ALPA likes it or not. We may have reached that point. We'll see on Tuesday.