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Old 11-06-2017, 12:47 PM
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I was just browsing bid packages and the 717 LAX B packages look crazy high block/credit per day. I saw many trips with like 26 hours on a 4 day and one 5 day with 33 and a half hours. Is that normal? Seems crazy different from most nb categories.
Ouch, December might hurt. That usually isn't the case. On the other hand, higher credit trips might equal more days off?
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I was just browsing bid packages and the 717 LAX B packages look crazy high block/credit per day. I saw many trips with like 26 hours on a 4 day and one 5 day with 33 and a half hours. Is that normal? Seems crazy different from most nb categories.
6.5 hours/day vs. 5.25 means working 11-12 vs 14-15 days in a 75 hour month. I'm all for it.
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Old 11-06-2017, 02:52 PM
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6.5 hours/day vs. 5.25 means working 11-12 vs 14-15 days in a 75 hour month. I'm all for it.
Perhaps crew resources called over to the rotation planners and asked them to build higher daily averages for NB positions. WB FOs working 12 days a month may consider NB A if they could work the same number of days. If they maintain a daily average above 6 hours with commutable trips, you will generate more interest for the upcoming narrowbody AE.
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Old 11-06-2017, 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunfighter View Post
Perhaps crew resources called over to the rotation planners and asked them to build higher daily averages for NB positions. WB FOs working 12 days a month may consider NB A if they could work the same number of days. If they maintain a daily average above 6 hours with commutable trips, you will generate more interest for the upcoming narrowbody AE.
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This guy is playing chess!

Gunfighter, are you management?!

However, to be fair, the (semi) OP mentioned it was the B category...
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Old 11-06-2017, 06:01 PM
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This guy is playing chess!

Gunfighter, are you management?!

However, to be fair, the (semi) OP mentioned it was the B category...

A couple of thoughts in no particular order:

Both As and Bs pretty much fly the same rotations for domestic NB.

I seriously doubt crew resources cares much about junior Pilots bidding A positions. The main driver of rotation construction is minimizing credit. The second consideration is further reducing credit, and the last consideration is really reducing credit.

Although having helped out with the RCC a little over the years, I will admit that in the off months, when we are way overmanned - RCC inputs do rise to a close 4th.

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Old 11-06-2017, 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Vincent Chase View Post
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This guy is playing chess!

Gunfighter, are you management?!

However, to be fair, the (semi) OP mentioned it was the B category...
I'm not in management here, but may have been an office dwelling, operations, finance and marketing MBA management type at a previous employer in a different industry.

The 717 bid pack did not contain position specific trips like I've seen in the 7ER, 330 or 777. My assumptions is that all trips are for both A and B positions on the 717. The ALVs may not be identical for both positions, but it looks like the schedules will get built from the same trips.
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Originally Posted by Scoop View Post
A couple of thoughts in no particular order:

Both As and Bs pretty much fly the same rotations for domestic NB.

I seriously doubt crew resources cares much about junior Pilots bidding A positions. The main driver of rotation construction is minimizing credit. The second consideration is further reducing credit, and the last consideration is really reducing credit.

Although having helped out with the RCC a little over the years, I will admit that in the off months, when we are way overmanned - RCC inputs do rise to a close 4th.

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So it's kinda like real estate, but instead of "location, location, location" it's "reduced credit, reduced credit, reduced credit". That makes quite a bit more sense. If the company expects it will cost them money by having pilots under 1,000 hours of 121 time bidding CA, they would look at options that reduce the cost. Maybe that would move into 4th place and put RCC in 5th.
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Originally Posted by Scoop View Post
A couple of thoughts in no particular order:

Both As and Bs pretty much fly the same rotations for domestic NB.

I seriously doubt crew resources cares much about junior Pilots bidding A positions. The main driver of rotation construction is minimizing credit. The second consideration is further reducing credit, and the last consideration is really reducing credit.

Although having helped out with the RCC a little over the years, I will admit that in the off months, when we are way overmanned - RCC inputs do rise to a close 4th.

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Well....it seems they failed at reducing soft credit on a lot of the NB rotations I just looked at. 4-6 hours of trip credit (early sign-ins, late sign outs and a 28-29 hour layover in the rotation) doesn't make for a very efficient (or commutable) rotation...but the workload is down which is nice. However, if you get anywhere near the
ATL vortex, look out....those 4-5 leg days are easy to be had for the asking. 😁
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Setting themselves up for possible IROPS.
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Old 11-07-2017, 06:48 AM
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Seems to be a lot of talk about the 321-Neo

If we get this plane is it basically like a 757 that will do domestic and shorter Europe stuff? Will it be able to be in the high 30s/low 40s or will it be like the 321/737-900 and be a pig that goes far?
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