Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
06-07-2015, 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Professor
First off let me say that it is important to understand that talking about job actions in a public forum, or things that may be viewed as a potential job action without having been released to self-help is a big no no. As in illegal. Ask AA and UAL guys how that went. Just FYI.
I don't think you do that in your post. But I think it is important for everyone to know that as a labor group under the auspices of the RLA to understand that even talking about that stuff is bad juju. That is until the labor group is released to legal 'self help'.
Now, that said....
Get angry if you like. But you and the 10 or so other super-negative Nelly's we have on here are putting the cart SO far ahead of the horse, we are in a reboot of a Marx brothers skit. The cart is in Chicago and the horse is in New York.
Ok. Again, we don't have a published TA.
I'm not sure how all of you guys are so spooled up on rumors that truly run the gamut.
Now, THAT said...
If our rates in this contract exceed those of AA/UAL/FedEx by the end of it...that is a betrayal by DALPA?
Because of all rumored rates I have heard, they all get us there by 2017. And ahead of AA the richest pay rates out there.
The theme from all of you is continuous. Its fear and anger based but with no connection to reality nor to the rest of the industry's rates and work rules.
If we have the best pay rates and profit sharing which NO other carrier does to the extent we do...um, what's the problem?
Look, I'm not here to tell any of you in any way what to think of the TA if we get one. I'm just here to tell you what is in it.
And right now nothing is in it. Because it is notional. Until it is brought out to be voted on the thing doesn't exist for all intents and purposes.
I realize that most pilots are type A, über control freaks. I'm also realizing that I lie on the very shallow/mildly afflicted end of that scale.
Let us just calm down and wait.
Do it as a service to the countless lurkers on this board that just want to be able to be informed and make a decision themselves.
I don't think you do that in your post. But I think it is important for everyone to know that as a labor group under the auspices of the RLA to understand that even talking about that stuff is bad juju. That is until the labor group is released to legal 'self help'.
Now, that said....
Get angry if you like. But you and the 10 or so other super-negative Nelly's we have on here are putting the cart SO far ahead of the horse, we are in a reboot of a Marx brothers skit. The cart is in Chicago and the horse is in New York.
Ok. Again, we don't have a published TA.
I'm not sure how all of you guys are so spooled up on rumors that truly run the gamut.
Now, THAT said...
If our rates in this contract exceed those of AA/UAL/FedEx by the end of it...that is a betrayal by DALPA?
Because of all rumored rates I have heard, they all get us there by 2017. And ahead of AA the richest pay rates out there.
The theme from all of you is continuous. Its fear and anger based but with no connection to reality nor to the rest of the industry's rates and work rules.
If we have the best pay rates and profit sharing which NO other carrier does to the extent we do...um, what's the problem?
Look, I'm not here to tell any of you in any way what to think of the TA if we get one. I'm just here to tell you what is in it.
And right now nothing is in it. Because it is notional. Until it is brought out to be voted on the thing doesn't exist for all intents and purposes.
I realize that most pilots are type A, über control freaks. I'm also realizing that I lie on the very shallow/mildly afflicted end of that scale.
Let us just calm down and wait.
Do it as a service to the countless lurkers on this board that just want to be able to be informed and make a decision themselves.
So let's assume the proposed TA is close to being what we're hearing. Our reps know we know what the rumors are. So presume for an instant we just sat and said nothing. Just waited patiently.
If I were a rep and observed that lack of disgruntlement I'd be very inclined to vote YES and let it go to memrat.
But if I heard an overwhelming sentiment of disgust then I'd be more inclined to give it right back to the NC (or recall the NC).
So to take the advice of sitting here peacefully with a strong rumor of what the TA contains would be, IMO, lazy and apathetic to the said "process."
So I encourage anyone who is opposed to idea of the TA with the numbers and language we're hearing to speak up and make some noise. This is the system and process DALPA wants. A lot of it's in the bylaws--closed door meetings, unreleasable survey results, secret TA reviews.
Silence is consent.
06-07-2015, 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by GunshipGuy
Silence is consent.
06-07-2015, 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Professor
Uhm, because it's the top of market rates????
Do you think the NMB looks at 'possible'??? It's possible to have unicorns greet passengers as they board. But not likely.
The NMB looks at market comps. They don't say 'well delta really has been messed around more that other airlines, and they make more money as a company...here delta pilots, here is an extra billion a year'. They look at competitor rates, what the market currently bears and you get that.
Again. LETS WAIT UNTIL WE HAVE A TA!!!!!
Do you think the NMB looks at 'possible'??? It's possible to have unicorns greet passengers as they board. But not likely.
The NMB looks at market comps. They don't say 'well delta really has been messed around more that other airlines, and they make more money as a company...here delta pilots, here is an extra billion a year'. They look at competitor rates, what the market currently bears and you get that.
Again. LETS WAIT UNTIL WE HAVE A TA!!!!!
You are conveniently leaving out the fact that American Pilots have a pension.
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06-07-2015, 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez
More panic and threats.
No threats.
Reading for comprehension. Not so good at it are you.
Here is a little definition to help you.
If
[if]
Synonyms Word Origin
conjunction
1.
in case that; granting or supposing that; on condition that:
Try again. Read it over, then answer this. IF rumors are correct, you would be ok for voting for this? It presumably would be worse terms than C12K.
06-07-2015, 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez
Consent to what?
06-07-2015, 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by TheManager
No panic.
No threats.
Reading for comprehension. Not so good at it are you.
Here is a little definition to help you.
If
[if]
Synonyms Word Origin
conjunction
1.
in case that; granting or supposing that; on condition that:
Try again. Read it over, then answer this. IF rumors are correct, you would be ok for voting for this? It presumably would be worse terms than C12K.
No threats.
Reading for comprehension. Not so good at it are you.
Here is a little definition to help you.
If
[if]
Synonyms Word Origin
conjunction
1.
in case that; granting or supposing that; on condition that:
Try again. Read it over, then answer this. IF rumors are correct, you would be ok for voting for this? It presumably would be worse terms than C12K.
06-07-2015, 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by TheManager
Really, reading comprehension again.
06-07-2015, 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by TheManager
Really, reading comprehension again.
06-07-2015, 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
He couldn't have read GG's most eloquent and non-panicking post and written that.
Yeah, you're right.
06-07-2015, 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
He couldn't have read GG's most eloquent and non-panicking post and written that.
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