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Old 05-27-2015 | 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
I'm sincerely curious as to why every large airline in the world, foreign and US, can make money with way more large widebodies than DL, including and especially pretty much all of DL's JV partners, including two money losing albatrosses that we single handedly bailed out (VA and KA).
Don't forget the others starting with the now defunct Aeroperu, GOL, etc. I hope the arbitrator comes down hard on DAL over the JV imbalance.
Old 05-27-2015 | 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
I'm sincerely curious as to why every large airline in the world, foreign and US, can make money with way more large widebodies than DL, including and especially pretty much all of DL's JV partners, including two money losing albatrosses that we single handedly bailed out (VA and KA).
Didn't you just contradict your stance in the same post?

We have low debt. Getting better every day. I like that even if it means not flying 100 787s. We just need to be paid better than anyone else for what we have.

debt is slavery
Old 05-27-2015 | 11:32 AM
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A PSA for you OFGs and anyone doing retirement planning:

Don't Let Social Security Cut Your Retirement Benefit With Retroactive Benefits Against Your Will!! - Forbes

Short version - applying for SS benefits is an process worth careful consideration.
Old 05-27-2015 | 12:43 PM
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I know why tsquare needs a new screen name. He found a cocktail waitress on Match.com. She was going to blow him off like they usually do, but he kept bragging about how much money he makes. She did a Google search, and found he would be gone more than half the time, so she bit the bullet and chased the money.

Two weeks later, they were married. Two months later, she wanted out. She was sick of him wearing his Delta hat when mowing the lawn and sitting on the throne; tired of being berated when there weren't any Milano cookies left in his snack basket, and totally over being made to a walkaround every time they drove somewhere.

She found the best divorce attorney she could find. Tsquare went cheap (imagine that) and hired a lawyer with 10 teeth. During the proceedings, she was asked to describe their sex lives. She said, "fast, compulsory, and unfulfilling." To the same question, tsquare responsed, "expeditious and economical."

Long story short, she took him to the cleaners. She got his best moonshine still, his coonskin cap collection, and his most prized possession: his "tsquare" screen name.

That's probably why he's even more of an antisocial misanthrope as Bender Rodriguez...and explains his contract wants, too.
Old 05-27-2015 | 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
MD88/90 paying less than the smaller or same sized A319/320/737 is a bit silly.
Anyone know the impetus of this? MD crews are arguably the hardest-working for any given hour of flight...why do they accept less than the others?
Old 05-27-2015 | 12:55 PM
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Is it just me, or did their emerging bromance just get a bit creepy?
Old 05-27-2015 | 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by TED74
Anyone know the impetus of this? MD crews are arguably the hardest-working for any given hour of flight...why do they accept less than the others?
DALPA used a "payload/range" formula to calculate the hourly rate.

That is the supposed origin of how the 777 pays the same as the whale and the 330 as the 765. Dumb.
Old 05-27-2015 | 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by TED74
Anyone know the impetus of this? MD crews are arguably the hardest-working for any given hour of flight...why do they accept less than the others?

It's all part of the charm...


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Old 05-27-2015 | 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by TED74
Anyone know the impetus of this? MD crews are arguably the hardest-working for any given hour of flight...why do they accept less than the others?
It is dumb. I think after the reconfig and galley removal they hold 149/160. That's a lot of pax. More pax than your brahs at SWA.
Old 05-27-2015 | 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez
These are rough numbers:

At AAL, the current fleet makeup is 9% in band 1, 25% in band 2 and 65% in band 3. When the 75/76s and the MD80s go away, that changes to 9% in band 1 and 91% in band 3. The group's total pay goes down, and career earnings potential will drop as well. There are assumptions that I made with respect to fleet, but I used all current models and orders and removed only the 75/76s and M80s.

I disagree with you on training. If you are making the same on a 737 as you would on an A320, why go to training? It is the transition that has everyone perplexed. Once it is in place, there is zero reason to go to training unless you just want to fly a particular type of airframe for whatever reason. And at that point, who cares about freezes?
Minor point. AAL has zero band 1 aircraft- 747/380. But the "pay band shift" you are describing is a real issue. Esp on the small jet side of the equation. AAL contract to me looks like DAL +7%, crap work rules, no Profit Sharing and small jets shifting to "smaller." Not good. Pay banding in general I feel strongly both ways. OFG
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