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Old 05-27-2015 | 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
If my objective is a min credit line, if not reserve, how would I word this in PBS? (All I see is "Else Next Bid Group.")

Obviously these may or not work depending on your seniority but here are a few ideas you may want to research once the bidding window opens. I don't have PBS access now but there are a few ways to do it:

The best way is probably to set condition "Minimum Credit."

If you are senior enough to bid for specific trips you can pick the trips you want (or enough generic trips to barely get you above the Line Construction Window minimum) and then bid "avoid trips that credit > 0."

This will prevent PBS from putting additional trips on your line after you reached the minimum line credit.

Either of the above will try to build you a minimum credit line. You then have to insert something that will start a reserve bid group if your bids are not honored.

I have had good luck with the "Else start next Bid Group." I think there might be some other ways to this but I don't recall the specific commands.

Anyway with the above in mind review the PBS bidding gouge or call the PBS bid assist guys once they are available. You can also search Youtube for some of the PBS Bid Assist videos.

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Old 05-27-2015 | 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
If my objective is a min credit line, if not reserve, how would I word this in PBS? (All I see is "Else Next Bid Group.")
1. Start Pairings
2. Set Condition Minimum Credit Else Start Next Bid Group'
3. Avoid Bad Stuff
4. Award Good Stuff
Award Pairings
5. Start Reserve
6. Prefer Off Desired Days

...or something to that effect. Another option could be not to have PBS go to reserve if it can't give you a min credit line, and take your chances trying to drop on the Swap Board and in PCS. In spite of lots of weekend unstacking PBS for June in my category, I managed to drop two weekend trips -- one in PCS and one on the Swap Board.

I have the schedule I want, even though I couldn't get it in PBS, and I'm not on reserve.
Old 05-27-2015 | 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Gunfighter
7. Based on the rumors, we will vote "NO" to the TA, keep what we have and update pay rates to to AA/UAL whenever our fellow employees get a raise.
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Old 05-27-2015 | 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Gunfighter
7. Based on the rumors, we will vote "NO" to the TA, keep what we have and update pay rates to to AA/UAL every 18 mos.
Take a hard look at what AAL is doing. They essentially have 3 bands now. The middle band 757/767 (currently 161 airframes) is the one with the shortest life expectancy which of course leaves only 2. The high pay band only has orders for an additional 42 aircraft, while the lowest band has orders for 420. The net result is that the career earnings average will be dropping as airplanes are retired (75/76) and replacements (A320/321/737X) come on line.


Interesting.

Data from AAL website.
Old 05-27-2015 | 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez
The net result is that the career earnings average will be dropping as airplanes are retired (75/76) and replacements (A320/321/737X) come on line.


Interesting.

Data from AAL website.
I wish someone would come back and promote Longevity Based Pay (LBP) based on the logic of career earnings vs. airplane/seat size.


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Old 05-27-2015 | 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
Why didn't our leadership email a table with the new rates to our pilots?

Are the new American hourly pay rates on the Delta ALPA website?
Instead of casting stones, how about you take two minutes to look for yourself.

If I were looking for other airlines pay scales , where would I look? The logical thing would be to take a look at the contract comparison that's posted on the DALPA website... let's take a peek and see how current it is:



I'd say that answers your question as to if ALPA is hiding or sharing American's pay from you.
Old 05-27-2015 | 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Elliot
I wish someone would come back and promote Longevity Based Pay (LBP) based on the logic of career earnings vs. airplane/seat size.


Elliot
I heard here was some guy that was championing that at one time but got shouted down by the productivity crowd so he's not interested in making that argument any more. I would say however, he had a pretty good point. Funny, but I have heard a lot of junior folks talking about it as of late.
Old 05-27-2015 | 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
I bet over 50% of our pilots are unaware of the new American pilot pay rates.

Why didn't our leadership email a table with the new rates to our pilots?

Are the new American hourly pay rates on the Delta ALPA website?
Here ya go
Old 05-27-2015 | 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Gunfighter
So based on APC feedback to leaks, the MEC now knows:
1. Don't even think about touching PS. PS is our payback for more than a decade of concessions.
2. We will revolt over one more seat, mile or passenger of scope relief.
3. Add a little more pay and credit to vacation and we will be content.
4. Touch the already concessionary sick leave one more time and we will vote no.
5. Another 1-2% into DPSP would be nice.
6. We didn't create the training problem, in fact we tried to prevent it. Don't ask us to fix it without LOTS of $$$$.

7. Based on the rumors, we will vote "NO" to the TA, keep what we have and update pay rates to to AA/UAL every 18 mos.

100% Agree.

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Old 05-27-2015 | 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez
I heard here was some guy that was championing that at one time but got shouted down by the productivity crowd so he's not interested in making that argument any more. I would say however, he had a pretty good point. Funny, but I have heard a lot of junior folks talking about it as of late.
I think he also took a few good points from the "what would happen to our SLI if we merged with another carrier" crowd.


The same points apply to pay banding.
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