Originally Posted by Professor

First off let me say that it is important to understand that talking about job actions in a public forum, or things that may be viewed as a potential job action without having been released to self-help is a big no no. As in illegal. Ask AA and UAL guys how that went. Just FYI.

I don't think you do that in your post. But I think it is important for everyone to know that as a labor group under the auspices of the RLA to understand that even talking about that stuff is bad juju. That is until the labor group is released to legal 'self help'.

Now, that said....

Get angry if you like. But you and the 10 or so other super-negative Nelly's we have on here are putting the cart SO far ahead of the horse, we are in a reboot of a Marx brothers skit. The cart is in Chicago and the horse is in New York.

Ok. Again, we don't have a published TA.
I'm not sure how all of you guys are so spooled up on rumors that truly run the gamut.

Now, THAT said...

If our rates in this contract exceed those of AA/UAL/FedEx by the end of it...that is a betrayal by DALPA?
Because of all rumored rates I have heard, they all get us there by 2017. And ahead of AA the richest pay rates out there.

The theme from all of you is continuous. Its fear and anger based but with no connection to reality nor to the rest of the industry's rates and work rules.

If we have the best pay rates and profit sharing which NO other carrier does to the extent we do...um, what's the problem?

Look, I'm not here to tell any of you in any way what to think of the TA if we get one. I'm just here to tell you what is in it.

And right now nothing is in it. Because it is notional. Until it is brought out to be voted on the thing doesn't exist for all intents and purposes.

I realize that most pilots are type A, über control freaks. I'm also realizing that I lie on the very shallow/mildly afflicted end of that scale.

Let us just calm down and wait.

Do it as a service to the countless lurkers on this board that just want to be able to be informed and make a decision themselves.

Originally Posted by TED74

The rumors don't run the gamut. They are all pretty much at one end...at least every one I have heard here and at work.

And you've already lost if your metric for success is AA. Why even have a survey if you aren't going to measure a TA against THAT and against what is fiscally possible/reasonable given THIS pilot group's work and sacrifices?

Originally Posted by gzsg

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This TA is worse than C2012.

Originally Posted by Professor

Uhm, because it's the top of market rates????

Do you think the NMB looks at 'possible'??? It's possible to have unicorns greet passengers as they board. But not likely.

The NMB looks at market comps. They don't say 'well delta really has been messed around more that other airlines, and they make more money as a company...here delta pilots, here is an extra billion a year'. They look at competitor rates, what the market currently bears and you get that.

Again. LETS WAIT UNTIL WE HAVE A TA!!!!!

Originally Posted by shiznit

STOP THE FREAK OUT

Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez

Prove it. Before it comes out. Other than that is it more of your divisive BS.

Originally Posted by newKnow

Now now. Don't get your pressure up.

Originally Posted by TheManager

If JUST the rumored rate are real, and IF they surpass AMR only in 2017, not on the date of signing, Dalpa and ALPA have failed at the one thing they proudly proclaim expertise in.

Pattern bargaining.

If..... we sold back PS to achieve such glorious rates.

If..... we have scope concessions

If..... we have third party verification.

If..... we have premium trips unbid-able do to hold backs from LCA

If..... We have CDOs or SDPs

In addition to those glorious rates

Then it's fourth and about twenty seven. Punt.

Also time for a new QB.