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Old 05-15-2015 | 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by GunshipGuy
I don't know about that. If it goes like C'12 did it could be pretty quick.

MEC: We want 10, 15, 6, 6
DAL: You can have 4, 8.5, 3, 3, and you'll pay for some of that with your PS.
MEC: Well, OK.
DAL: Now let's talk about how we can reduce QOL for your reserve pilots.
Don't know GG, it went more like this:

DAL: Welcome to C2015 contract negotiations.
MEC: Yes, we agree.
DAL: What, agree to what?
MEC: Yes.
DAL: Uhh, OK. Prepare to be emasculated.
MEC: Yes.
DAL: We'll give not one additional penny despite our massive profits.
MEC: Umm, our pilots are expecting a few gains.
DAL: As long as they're funded by concessions, then that's OK with us.
MEC: Brilliant. Why didn't we think of that.
DAL: Well, you're not us.
MEC: Right. Let us know when and where to sign.
DAL: We will because this is a time critical deal.
MEC: Yes. Since we have so much time left, May we wash anybody's car?

Slightly lifted from that awesome YouTube video.

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Old 05-15-2015 | 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by newKnow
Maybe Captain Kangaroo hates when the jumpseater refuses to turn sideways on the jumpseat. (just something to think about.)
I spent a long time on the 757. There is a decent JS solution here.

Turn sideways, take the padded foam cushion for your back (which is only velcroed in) and lean it against the left armrest. It actually provides pretty good back support. Lean back, place legs on suitcase, Jepp airline kit, etc and relax as best you can.
Old 05-15-2015 | 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Herkflyr
I spent a long time on the 757. There is a decent JS solution here.

Turn sideways, take the padded foam cushion for your back (which is only velcroed in) and lean it against the left armrest. It actually provides pretty good back support. Lean back, place legs on suitcase, Jepp airline kit, etc and relax as best you can.
That's what I do when I sit on the 757 jumpseat. No biggie.

Normally when I'm up there I'm just happy I'm not on jumpseat for the next flight which is normally a -88.
Old 05-15-2015 | 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by BigGuns
Here are the AA 1/2016 Pay Rates vs Delta. Note the effects of Pay Banding to the 330/767-4 and the 320/88. So unless we get a 16% pay across the board, various rate adjustment by fleet, or Pay Banding, some aircraft will not pay equal to AA (330, 764, 320 & 88). Also note how poor the Group I a/c (B717) is on the AA side. FYI... A321 is a Group II a/c... major fail.


CAPT AA DL AA DL AA
Pay Group. 12 yr 12 yr. 5 yr 5 yr
V B747 307.76 270.25 -12.2% 291.62. 256.09. -12.2%
IV B777 290.11. 270.25 -6.8% 277.74. 256.09. -7.8%
IV B787 290.11 258.90 -10.8% 277.74. 245.19 -11.7%
IV B767-4 290.11 255.28 -12.0% 277.74 241.86 -12.9%
IV A330 290.11 255.28 -12.0% 277.74 241.86 -12.9%
III B767 249.30 226.21 -9.3% 234.29 212.58 -9.3%
III B757 249.30 226.21 -9.3% 234.29 212.58 -9.3%
II B737-900 234.67 218.05 -7.1% 221.81 206.48 -6.9%
II B737-700/800 234.67 216.92 -7.6% 221.81 207.18 -6.6%
II A320/319 234.67 209.31 -10.8% 221.81 199.83 -9.9%
II M88/90 234.67 205.56 -12.4% 221.81 194.02 -12.5%
I B717 153.65 195.19 27.0% 145.54 186.42 28.1%

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AA DL AA DL AA Pay Group 12 yr 12 yr 5 yr 5 yr
V B747 210.20 179.21 -14.7% 186.92 159.36 -14.7%
IV B777 200.20 179.21 -10.5% 178.02 159.36 -10.5%
IV B787 200.20 179.21 -10.5% 178.02 152.59 -14.3%
IV B767-4 200.20 179.21 -10.5% 178.02 150.52 -15.4%
IV A330 200.20 179.21 -10.5% 178.02 150.52 -15.4%
III B767 170.27 150.00 -11.9% 150.17 132.29 -11.9%
III B757 170.27 150.00 -11.9% 150.17 132.29 -11.9%
II B737-900 160.28 144.59 -9.8% 142.18 128.49 -9.6%
II B737-700/800 160.28 143.84 -10.3% 142.18 127.93 -10.0%
II A320/319 160.28 138.80 -13.4% 142.18 123.36 -13.2%
II M88/90 160.28 136.31 -15.0% 142.18 119.77 -15.8%
I B717 104.93 129.42 23.3% 93.30 115.07 23.3%
The 321 is a group 2 aircraft because the east pilots have a lot of them and the American pilots don't want to put themselves at a disadvantage during the SLI. Same reason why our 747 and 777 pay the same and the 330 and 767-400 pay the same.
Old 05-15-2015 | 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
. Same reason why our 747 and 777 pay the same and the 330 and 767-400 pay the same.
Stop this silly talk…….This could never happen
Old 05-15-2015 | 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by newKnow
That's what I do when I sit on the 757 jumpseat. No biggie.

Normally when I'm up there I'm just happy I'm not on jumpseat for the next flight which is normally a -88.
I've had several captains tell me they are sorry they didn't have a seat for me in the back and apologize for sticking me in the JS. I always let them know I appreciate the ride and that no matter how uncomfortable the JS, it's always better than the best seat in the terminal.
Old 05-15-2015 | 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
That's really interesting. I thought it was only the FO rep that had his act together in NYC. Could it be that the Captain rep also is ready to defy the MEC administration? Could it actually be 10-9 now in favor of the restorationists?

Carl
I think Tom has done an excellent job.

He is one of a couple of reps that will make us or break us.
Old 05-15-2015 | 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by GunshipGuy
Trying to picture how wearing long sleeves would improve the above.





Nope, can't do it.
Easy. No ties
Old 05-15-2015 | 07:22 PM
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Here's the scope update from NYC tonight.

"Scope Compliance and Analysis
Delta currently operates 784 mainline aircraft. SkyTeam consists of 20 member airlines. In 2012, Delta Connection operated 348 50-seat jets; in 2015, Delta Connection operates 179 50-seat jets. There has been a 27 percent reduction in Delta passengers on ALK since the last quarterly report."

So we would hope DALPA is concerned about all areas of our scope. Let's see...
Skyteam / JV: Check (although neither of those numbers really mean much)
Alaska: Check (although we have AS mgt to thank for that gift - ALPA had nothing to do with it)
50 Seaters: Check

It seems like there's one little section of scope that was left out. Not sure they would be so malevolent as to do it on purpose, unless we are about to see a TA with MORE concessions in this area. Some hints:
- It's a certain aircraft size bigger than 50-seaters and smaller than Alaska
- We traded some doomed-to-fail 50-seaters for them in 2012
- The manufacturers start with C and E

Anyone? DALPA?
Old 05-16-2015 | 04:28 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyZ
It seems like there's one little section of scope that was left out. Not sure they would be so malevolent as to do it on purpose, unless we are about to see a TA with MORE concessions in this area. Some hints:
- It's a certain aircraft size bigger than 50-seaters and smaller than Alaska
- We traded some doomed-to-fail 50-seaters for them in 2012
- The manufacturers start with C and E

Anyone?
I tried to attach the full report from which you presumably quoted, but it's too bid. You can find it on the DALPA website under Committees ==> Scope Analysis and Compliance. It goes through all of Section 1, including the current AF JV violation.
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