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Old 04-28-2015, 02:41 PM
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You do know that those deals were inked years ago. Before the last round of contracts the same talking points were being put out stating that all the unions would cave and everything under 120 seats would be flown by the regionals.
What you have are several regional managements with a bunch of aircraft on order they can't fly. They don't want to pay the cancelation penalties and are pursuing every avenue they can to find a way to fly them.
Yes, also, I believe that the sales agreements are contingent on scope clauses being relaxed. I believe I read about that in the Skywest agreement in AW&ST (not positive it was there)

Found it, from 2012:

SkyWest Inc. has finalized an order for 100 Mitsubishi Aircraft MRJ regional jets announced in June, adding options for a further 100, and sticking with its original plan to use the firm order for the larger MRJ90 aircraft—at least for now.

The MRJ90 holds 90 seats in a single class, compared with 70 for the MRJ70. That is significant for U.S. regional carriers, such as the SkyWest subsidiaries, which operate the vast majority of their flights for major carriers under their brand names. That is because scope clauses in the major carrier collective bargaining agreements with their pilots limit by aircraft size and number the amount of flying that can be outsourced to regional carriers.

When SkyWest placed its tentative order in June, Kraupp said the carrier would wait to see how scope clauses at its major airline partners and potential future partners take shape before deciding whether to stick with the MRJ90s. If United Airlines pilots approve their tentative contract when the votes are counted on Dec. 15, the new upper limits will have been established for Delta, United and American Airlines at 76 seats. The only major network carrier higher than that is US Airways, at 90, so the picture could change a bit if it merges with American.

Kraupp now says that, either way, the MRJ90 could be a good fit.

“The MRJ90 can be configured to 76 seats to comply with current scope limitations,” Kraupp told Aviation Week on Dec. 13. “Since the aircraft don’t deliver for a few years, we will see where scope clauses migrate to when making final determinations as to which aircraft to take and how many seats.”

Kraupp says SkyWest probably needs to decide by 2015 whether to switch its order to MRJ70 aircraft. As to which airlines SkyWest will be operating the MRJ for, he says only that “we will have an ongoing effort to offer the aircraft to all of the U.S. majors and see what their appetite is.”
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Old 04-28-2015, 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by flyallnite View Post
Yet it appears that scope concessions are going to be part of any deal presented to us, if this article is to be believed. The fact that TSA and SKW have both aircraft already ordered would lead me to think that a deal has been informally agreed upon, and the details are all that's left. After all, our 717 order was contingent upon our agreeing to a contract. Here it would appear that agreement, in principal, has already been reached... these orders are booked.


I may be a naive optimist but I don't see any Scope relaxation being put to a TA, or even close to passing if it came to MEMRAT. The line has been drawn at 76 seats - lets keep it there.

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Old 04-28-2015, 03:49 PM
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Reliable source:

1) The Company wants a deal by the summer.
2) Pay-banding is not on the table.
3) "Monetizing," PS is.
4) The Company wants to go after sick-leave abuse (and as usual the "abuse" is due to 2% of the pilot group.)
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Old 04-28-2015, 03:51 PM
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Oh, and expect AA rates.
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Old 04-28-2015, 03:51 PM
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What's going on there is criminal. It's not civil disobedience. I wouldn't blame anyone for protecting their property, but I know the court of (insert acronym/public opinion) would spin it to destroy the man defending his property.

Bless their hearts.
I heard today that property values in Ferguson are still down 30%.

Way to go Rev Sharpton!
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Old 04-28-2015, 03:54 PM
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You haven't lived till you see machine gun mounted jeeps on the street corners (1968). Hey GI! You got gum?
Kent state was a tragedy. Baltimore isn't civil disobedience.
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Old 04-28-2015, 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano View Post
Reliable source:

1) The Company wants a deal by the summer.
2) Pay-banding is not on the table.
3) "Monetizing," PS is.
4) The Company wants to go after sick-leave abuse (and as usual the "abuse" is due to 2% of the pilot group.)
AFAIK, 2 and 3 haven't remotely been discussed yet.

1 and 4 are no brainers and pretty common knowledge.
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Old 04-28-2015, 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano View Post
Reliable source:

1) The Company wants a deal by the summer.
2) Pay-banding is not on the table.
3) "Monetizing," PS is.
4) The Company wants to go after sick-leave abuse (and as usual the "abuse" is due to 2% of the pilot group.)

What does the fact that the company wants to monetize our PS tell you? It tells me that they think they will be able to monetize it for less than its worth. We would be fools to agree to monetize PS.

We are only talking about a possible three year deal. Lets ride PS for all its worth while times are good. Eventually the profits may hit a hiccup but I am willing to bet my PS that it will be more than three years out.

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Kent state was a tragedy. Baltimore isn't civil disobedience.

Exactly right. There are professional anarchists in Baltimore.
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Originally Posted by Scoop View Post
I may be a naive optimist but I don't see any Scope relaxation being put to a TA, or even close to passing if it came to MEMRAT. The line has been drawn at 76 seats - lets keep it there.

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They'll just sell them to republic.
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