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12-04-2015, 12:03 PM
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Bro, I know you're a company man and/or Moak disciple, but this is not a "checklist change."
I just want to see a little fire in the new chairman's belly. Let's see something--a sentence, a hint!--that there are some status quo issues in play right now.
Oh, and get rid of the Moak guys running contract admin.
I just want to see a little fire in the new chairman's belly. Let's see something--a sentence, a hint!--that there are some status quo issues in play right now.
Oh, and get rid of the Moak guys running contract admin.
12-04-2015, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by DALMD88FO
I just went through the school house on the 717 and the guy giving me my line check explained that currently when a probie pilot gets his 6 month check it's by an LCA in the jumpseat and the Captain gets a linecheck at the same time. The problem is that with certain categories, ie NYC, there are so many new hires that Captains are getting line checks too often because of the 6 month check. This will eliminate that. Take it for what it's worth.
Originally Posted by Herkflyr
The company has the right to run the operation, including making changes to procedures, without every conceivable checklist change being labeled a status quo violation. Don't become the Boy who Cried Wolf. I suspect this is just Flight Standards changing procedures for reasons deemed important to them and ultimately for the betterment of the airline.
I don't think saving some bucks at the expense of the unionized pilots as part of an anti labor mindset was an issue.
I don't think saving some bucks at the expense of the unionized pilots as part of an anti labor mindset was an issue.
This lowers the number of line check airmen required and it has a financial impact.
Suddenly allowing first officers to perform work that previously required a captain is pretty clearly a change in our working conditions.
Changes to our working conditions during Section 6 are prohibited by the Railway Labor Act.
12-04-2015, 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
This is not a change to a checklist.
This lowers the number of line check airmen required and it has a financial impact.
Suddenly allowing first officers to perform work that previously required a captain is pretty clearly a change in our working conditions.
Changes to our working conditions during Section 6 are prohibited by the Railway Labor Act.
This lowers the number of line check airmen required and it has a financial impact.
Suddenly allowing first officers to perform work that previously required a captain is pretty clearly a change in our working conditions.
Changes to our working conditions during Section 6 are prohibited by the Railway Labor Act.
Within a month if not sooner these posts will be long forgotten (next to the check box for GS award while flying LOA), to be replaced by another "crisis."
JM is doing a good job managing 100 different things to get us the contract we deserve. Let's let him continue.
12-04-2015, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by DALMD88FO
I just went through the school house on the 717 and the guy giving me my line check explained that currently when a probie pilot gets his 6 month check it's by an LCA in the jumpseat and the Captain gets a linecheck at the same time. The problem is that with certain categories, ie NYC, there are so many new hires that Captains are getting line checks too often because of the 6 month check. This will eliminate that. Take it for what it's worth.
12-04-2015, 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by TNDeltaFlyboy
The LCA in the JS works usually only when the probie has a line so it can be planned. When I was on reserve this past June the OE planner had to place a turn on my schedule to get the check done. In my case, the LCA was in the left seat for both legs...a MEX turn no less.
12-04-2015, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by TNDeltaFlyboy
The LCA in the JS works usually only when the probie has a line so it can be planned. When I was on reserve this past June the OE planner had to place a turn on my schedule to get the check done. In my case, the LCA was in the left seat for both legs...a MEX turn no less.
12-04-2015, 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by waldo135
Not how it works in the 717 in NYC. Every time an FO needs a mid-phase check (and there are lots since new hires cycle through), an LCA sits in the JS and gives both guys a check for 2 legs. Sooo...this new policy could actually be an attempt to help out the captains, who are sometimes subjected to multiple LCA checks in a year and NOT a grand conspiracy to screw us. Just sayin'
It allows an FO (lower pay) to do what a captain (higher pay) used to do. It requires fewer higher-paid jobs. That's a problem.
This change was NOT instituted to "help out the captains." Management is actively conspiring to take every cent and shred of leverage they possibly can. The sooner you understand this, the better.
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12-04-2015, 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
Let's look at the big picture.
It allows an FO (lower pay) to do what a captain (higher pay) used to do. It requires fewer higher-paid jobs. That's a problem.
Tris was NOT instituted to "help out the captains." Please don't embarrass yourself like this.
It allows an FO (lower pay) to do what a captain (higher pay) used to do. It requires fewer higher-paid jobs. That's a problem.
Tris was NOT instituted to "help out the captains." Please don't embarrass yourself like this.
12-04-2015, 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
This is not a change to a checklist.
This lowers the number of line check airmen required and it has a financial impact.
Suddenly allowing first officers to perform work that previously required a captain is pretty clearly a change in our working conditions.
Changes to our working conditions during Section 6 are prohibited by the Railway Labor Act.
This lowers the number of line check airmen required and it has a financial impact.
Suddenly allowing first officers to perform work that previously required a captain is pretty clearly a change in our working conditions.
Changes to our working conditions during Section 6 are prohibited by the Railway Labor Act.
12-04-2015, 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by CheapTrick
We've had AQFOs for what? A decade? More? How is this different?
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