Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
04-30-2015 | 03:39 AM
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I know it's likely everyone sees this, but notice how sailingfun starts off with stating pilot costs from forms computed by Delta, but ends up showing the same discredited MIT study as his source.
Then sailingfun discusses how contract 2012 vastly increased pilots costs by gathering data from an outside study that...ends in 2013.
Here's what the sailingfun's refuse to admit: We made some gains in pay rates in C2012, but we also agreed to significant concessions that offset those pay rate gains. It offset it to the point where Ed and Richard called the pilot's contract cost neutral and the additional savings could be used to invest in initiatives that benefit other employee groups at Delta.
Carl
Then sailingfun discusses how contract 2012 vastly increased pilots costs by gathering data from an outside study that...ends in 2013.
Here's what the sailingfun's refuse to admit: We made some gains in pay rates in C2012, but we also agreed to significant concessions that offset those pay rate gains. It offset it to the point where Ed and Richard called the pilot's contract cost neutral and the additional savings could be used to invest in initiatives that benefit other employee groups at Delta.
Carl
Just like the statements claiming what the NMB did or didn't say to the MEC... You are way off base. You have second hand information. There were also multiple presentations, some at the BOD where only reps in that committe were present.
My info was first hand.. Yours was not.
04-30-2015 | 04:06 AM
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What were those concessions Carl? It was not manning. It is obvious to anyone who can read the monthly reports from crew planning or just pick up the phone and call crew planning.
I think it really bothers you that ALPA nailed it with the timing on contract 2012 putting us in a near perfect position for this contract.
You would have preferred that we were mired in the NMB process like so many other airlines so you could puch your DPA agenda.
I think it really bothers you that ALPA nailed it with the timing on contract 2012 putting us in a near perfect position for this contract.
You would have preferred that we were mired in the NMB process like so many other airlines so you could puch your DPA agenda.
04-30-2015 | 04:14 AM
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Didn't we have profit sharing concessions? We also had scope concessions again. Remember in order to get the 717 aircraft we had to give up larger RJ aircraft to the regionals and the company said 50 seaters would be phased out quickly..Last I have seen the 50 seaters are still flying around.
04-30-2015 | 04:31 AM
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I wouldn't normally jump into a Carl/sailing debate, but c'mon man.
Sometimes you post stuff that is just blatantly wrong and misleading.
There were numerous concessions in C2012 that reduced manning. I'll just remind you of the biggest one. The one that really hurt us the most and really burned me up because we gave it away for zilch:
Turning July and August into 30 day months.
That was a HUGE win for management. Those two months have always been the drivers of pilot hiring. The summer was our pilot job creation machine. Not any more. ALPA fixed that little problem.
Sometimes you post stuff that is just blatantly wrong and misleading.
There were numerous concessions in C2012 that reduced manning. I'll just remind you of the biggest one. The one that really hurt us the most and really burned me up because we gave it away for zilch:
Turning July and August into 30 day months.
That was a HUGE win for management. Those two months have always been the drivers of pilot hiring. The summer was our pilot job creation machine. Not any more. ALPA fixed that little problem.
04-30-2015 | 04:37 AM
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I wouldn't normally jump into a Carl/sailing debate, but c'mon man.
Sometimes you post stuff that is just blatantly wrong and misleading.
There were numerous concessions in C2012 that reduced manning. I'll just remind you of the biggest one. The one that really hurt us the most and really burned me up because we gave it away for zilch:
Turning July and August into 30 day months.
That was a HUGE win for management. Those two months have always been the drivers of pilot hiring. The summer was our pilot job creation machine. Not any more. ALPA fixed that little problem.
Sometimes you post stuff that is just blatantly wrong and misleading.
There were numerous concessions in C2012 that reduced manning. I'll just remind you of the biggest one. The one that really hurt us the most and really burned me up because we gave it away for zilch:
Turning July and August into 30 day months.
That was a HUGE win for management. Those two months have always been the drivers of pilot hiring. The summer was our pilot job creation machine. Not any more. ALPA fixed that little problem.
04-30-2015 | 05:02 AM
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We interrupt the sporty debate for a public service announcement....
04-30-2015 | 05:15 AM
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Wait, in 2014 Delta hired the most pilots in company history due to mainline growth but concessions, Scope give aways, and job loss from 30 day months is being brought up?
04-30-2015 | 05:21 AM
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Sailingfun can't even call them "concessions." Management has directed him to label them "offsets."
04-30-2015 | 05:28 AM
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04-30-2015 | 05:43 AM
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