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Old 04-30-2015 | 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
You really need to get on the phone with flight operations and let them know about the windfall in manning they don't seem to know about.
As far as big airplanes we don't control the fleet plan. As of 31 June 15 we will be down a net of two large airframes. Widebody block hours however which is the key to jobs are up.
A net of two big airplanes from when?

If we don't control the fleet plan, then quit using 717s as a pro-union talking point.

Wide body block hours are forecast down ref the last earnings report.
Old 04-30-2015 | 09:09 AM
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I personally think the goals of the company in this contract will be pilot productivity not money. They have plenty of money they just don't have plenty of pilots. Just my 2c.
Old 04-30-2015 | 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by OldFlyGuy
Not nearly enough. It could always be better. 2/3 of the folks thought it was enough at the time. The company was still recovering. Shareholder equity was a negative number. No one else in the industry was moving the bar at all and everyone's negotiations were proceeding at a snail's pace. We are back for round 2! My only advice to new hires is to read everything and vote with your brain. OFG
My math on 3% manning adjustment is in a 31 day month, each day is approximately 3%/day. Subtract a day of the month, you need 3% fewer people.

I don't dispute that we are back in negotiations. I don't dispute the state of the industry. I also don't dispute that while I've been here, DALPA has traded our only true leverage-able section of the contract (section 1) for a weaker and weaker position. I've said it before, I don't know why the company even wants to negotiate with us, we have no leverage, we pi$$ed it away.
Old 04-30-2015 | 10:26 AM
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Took away 3 days in summer AND raised the monthly max from 89 1/2 to 91 1/2. Those 2 things together were a big deal.
Old 04-30-2015 | 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
My math on 3% manning adjustment is in a 31 day month, each day is approximately 3%/day. Subtract a day of the month, you need 3% fewer people.

I don't dispute that we are back in negotiations. I don't dispute the state of the industry. I also don't dispute that while I've been here, DALPA has traded our only true leverage-able section of the contract (section 1) for a weaker and weaker position. I've said it before, I don't know why the company even wants to negotiate with us, we have no leverage, we pi$$ed it away.
OK, we may be in complete agreement on some things. Productivity & sick leave they probably want and I'm not planning on flying much more or being any less sick. I don't see anything of big value DAL would want from us aside from RJ/Intl scope relief and IMO they can't have ANY. They may also want ProShar changes. I can't see giving that either absent a very steep penalty. I'm hoping for a contract sooner rather than later, but not optimistic as I'm unwilling to give much to get it. C12 and C15 are completely different animals. OFG
Old 04-30-2015 | 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
What were those concessions Carl? It was not manning. It is obvious to anyone who can read the monthly reports from crew planning or just pick up the phone and call crew planning.
Let me rephrase, if an "Early Retirement" program is offered as an offset but isn't structured attractively enough to actually influence someone to take the offer, it isn't much of an offset. I don't know how that is not a concession.

Originally Posted by sailingfun
Go back and read my other posts. There were offsets to those changes that kept any manning losses to a very small number the biggest of which was counting all known absences for when a reserve was full. Again crew planning did not make any manning assumption changes with contract 2012 and the monthly reports show there was no pilot job loss relative to block hours flown. The result is the hiring we have seen.
Again the "biggest" [250+] was supposed to the the ER. Not so much in reality.

Also, SD said we were going to start hiring right away. Didn't happen for what, about a year?

Factually the ER was sold as the largest manning offset. Factually less the a third of those "predicted" to take the offer actually did.
Old 04-30-2015 | 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Omar 111
Trico,

I understand it sucks to work 88 hours on reserve, my sympathies. That being said, I think it would be constructive for ALPA to put out just how many reservists have flown over ALV in the last three years, broken down for domestic and international. I understand the long international trip argument, but I think it is abusive domestically when it is so easy for schedulers to break up trips.

FWIW, I have never seen anybody over 80 hours on the reserve available list in my category. For tomorrow in MSP, these are the hours flown to date: 36/20/3/46/31/32/42/38/42/38/16/67/36/45.

Omar
If we hadn't of signed off on ALV +15 our union would probably just have signed an LOA to allow them to overfly us anyway, like they did back in '09. I guess we got something in return for it this time.
Old 04-30-2015 | 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by 1Bob
Let me rephrase, if an "Early Retirement" program is offered as an offset but isn't structured attractively enough to actually influence someone to take the offer, it isn't much of an offset. I don't know how that is not a concession.



Again the "biggest" [250+] was supposed to the the ER. Not so much in reality.

Also, SD said we were going to start hiring right away. Didn't happen for what, about a year?

Factually the ER was sold as the largest manning offset. Factually less the a third of those "predicted" to take the offer actually did.
I personally never considered the ER program a offset. It has no impact at all on manning and once the date of each retirement passes any gain is lost forever. I will however say that the demographics of pilots who took the program were far better then expected. 196 59 year olds is much better the 300 64 year olds.
ER programs have zero effect on required manning.
Old 04-30-2015 | 12:12 PM
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This from the SD weekly update:

"Pilot Uniform Vendor
Flight Operations will be screening vendors to provide new uniforms to pilots by 2016."

Is this just to find new vendors or is there a pilot uniform change in the works?
Old 04-30-2015 | 12:22 PM
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And who's paying for it?

Hopefully the designer is not a "hat guy"....
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