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Old 04-30-2015, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by 1Bob View Post
Let me rephrase, if an "Early Retirement" program is offered as an offset but isn't structured attractively enough to actually influence someone to take the offer, it isn't much of an offset. I don't know how that is not a concession.



Again the "biggest" [250+] was supposed to the the ER. Not so much in reality.

Also, SD said we were going to start hiring right away. Didn't happen for what, about a year?

Factually the ER was sold as the largest manning offset. Factually less the a third of those "predicted" to take the offer actually did.
I personally never considered the ER program a offset. It has no impact at all on manning and once the date of each retirement passes any gain is lost forever. I will however say that the demographics of pilots who took the program were far better then expected. 196 59 year olds is much better the 300 64 year olds.
ER programs have zero effect on required manning.
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Old 04-30-2015, 12:12 PM
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This from the SD weekly update:

"Pilot Uniform Vendor
Flight Operations will be screening vendors to provide new uniforms to pilots by 2016."

Is this just to find new vendors or is there a pilot uniform change in the works?
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Old 04-30-2015, 12:22 PM
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And who's paying for it?

Hopefully the designer is not a "hat guy"....
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Old 04-30-2015, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by redship View Post
This from the SD weekly update:

"Pilot Uniform Vendor
Flight Operations will be screening vendors to provide new uniforms to pilots by 2016."

Is this just to find new vendors or is there a pilot uniform change in the works?
There will be an optional "Ike" jacket (Double Breasted) and overseas cap. Nice trendy look.
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Old 04-30-2015, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by badflaps View Post
There will be an optional "Ike" jacket (Double Breasted) and overseas cap. Nice trendy look.
Double breasted jackets aren't trendy... unless you're a hotel doorman or a 19th century sea captain.
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Old 04-30-2015, 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Bainite View Post
Double breasted jackets aren't trendy... unless you're a hotel doorman or a 19th century sea captain.
True, but since when have pilots been considered trendy?

I still see mom jeans, tucked in t-shirts, braided belts, and white New Balance shoes on a regular basis. Let's not get ahead of ourselves here....
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Old 04-30-2015, 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by shiznit View Post
Let's not get ahead of ourselves here....
Yes. This uniform crap is obviously the company's attempt to create some noise and distract us from C15. I would expect a Dalpa guy like shiznit to recognize it as such. We must focus.

- Historic C15 home run
- JV grievance
- PS "monetiziation"

Three separate transactions.
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Old 04-30-2015, 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Trip7 View Post
Wait, in 2014 Delta hired the most pilots in company history due to mainline growth but concessions, Scope give aways, and job loss from 30 day months is being brought up?
Trip,
You're a bright guy and your contract knowledge has been very solid. However, could you clarify your use of the term "in company history?"

Additionally, the fleet numbers have only recently surpassed the post merger fleet numbers by a handful of airplanes. We contracted then re-expanded with small gauge jets. Is 2014 really a "growth" year?

Hiring was for retiring pilot replacement primarily and growth secondarily.

Concessions should be brought up...always. Also, the timing of our contract and the timing of the JV grievance being coincident only makes me think DALPA will be conceding (concessions again) top end scope.

I can't help it, I try, but can't trust DALPA until I see the TA. I hope like heck I'm not disappointed again.
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Old 04-30-2015, 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1 View Post
Hiring was for retiring pilot replacement primarily and growth secondary .
We hired well over a thousand last year a had, what, 200 retirements? I don't see how that is primarily hiring for retirements.
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Old 04-30-2015, 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Xray678 View Post
We hired well over a thousand last year a had, what, 200 retirements? I don't see how that is primarily hiring for retirements.
What were the post merger fleet and body count numbers what are the current fleet and body count numbers.
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