Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
04-21-2016, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
First, just to make sure, you put you golden day bid in icrew>bids>initial bid. Icrew lists your X days there. I always try and start every X day group with at least one golden day. For May I've got X days 2-8, 14-17, and 26-29. On the template I bid 2 May, 3 May, 14 May, 15 May, 26 May, and 27 May. (I received all the days as bid) Bid your highest priority first and, again, always try to start an X day grouping with golden days.
If that's what you are doing. Nothing else I see you can do.
Denny
If that's what you are doing. Nothing else I see you can do.
Denny
04-21-2016, 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Sputnik
Thanks Denny, thats more or less my same strategy and it doesnt seem to work. Last few months my first 6 x days become golden. Its like Im not bidding
04-21-2016, 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Tee1Up
Maybe a crazy question, but are you hitting "submit" and getting a confirmation?
But keep asking, I feel like I'm missing something utterly obvious and no idea what it is. It sure doesn't appear to be difficult and yet my results indicate otherwise
04-22-2016, 04:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Sputnik
Reserve help. Specifically bidding golden days. Seems pretty idiot proof, in which case I'm a genius as I never seem to do it right. No matter what I request I generally end up with my first six x days becoming golden days. I have no idea what I'm doing wrong, or who to ask (far as I can tell I'm following the sched ref handbook). I'm fairly senior on reserve, if that isn't too much of a oxymoron, so expect to get more or less what I ask for.
Help?
Help?
The company will fly you on your golden days anyway without the courtesy of a reach around. You're not missing out by screwing this up.
04-22-2016, 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeF16
*shrug*
The company will fly you on your golden days anyway without the courtesy of a reach around. You're not missing out by screwing this up.
The company will fly you on your golden days anyway without the courtesy of a reach around. You're not missing out by screwing this up.
from the Scheduling Handbook:
Crew Scheduling will make every reasonable effort to resolve any conflict between a reroute and a pilot’s scheduled vacation or other hard non-fly day (e.g., MLOA, golden X day, legal duty, PD, APD) provided the pilot notifies Crew Scheduling of the conflict. Crew Tracking is not aware of a pilot’s future schedule when a reroute is created.
04-22-2016, 06:07 AM
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NOOP
Here is a question for the wise among the masses before calling crew scheduling and/or ALPA. A spillover rotation was NOOP due to an equipment change. It was originally published as two flying legs, then changed to DH out (in April) and fly back (in May). Now it was dropped entirely from my schedule. The first line of the published rotation was not asterisked, but the second line had an asterisk. Section 4E1 and 4F6 were of limited help and 23K doesn't address NOOP. My initial assessment is that I am pay protected for the outbound leg in April as originally published before the DH, but that I have no pay protection for the return leg in May. I can't seem to find anything that obligates me to recovery flying.
What is my pay protection and recovery obligation?
What is my pay protection and recovery obligation?
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04-22-2016, 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Gunfighter
Here is a question for the wise among the masses before calling crew scheduling and/or ALPA. A spillover rotation was NOOP due to an equipment change. It was originally published as two flying legs, then changed to DH out (in April) and fly back (in May). Now it was dropped entirely from my schedule. The first line of the published rotation was not asterisked, but the second line had an asterisk. Section 4E1 and 4F6 states were of limited help and 23K doesn't address NOOP.
What is my pay protection and recovery obligation?
What is my pay protection and recovery obligation?
04-22-2016, 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by iaflyer
Not necessarily true. You have to call Crew Tracking to tell them that you have a golden day, when they try to reroute you. Then they'll work to not reroute you into golden days. It's worked for me. Crew Tracking has no idea of your schedule, other than the rotation you are on.
from the Scheduling Handbook:
Crew Scheduling will make every reasonable effort to resolve any conflict between a reroute and a pilot’s scheduled vacation or other hard non-fly day (e.g., MLOA, golden X day, legal duty, PD, APD) provided the pilot notifies Crew Scheduling of the conflict. Crew Tracking is not aware of a pilot’s future schedule when a reroute is created.
from the Scheduling Handbook:
Crew Scheduling will make every reasonable effort to resolve any conflict between a reroute and a pilot’s scheduled vacation or other hard non-fly day (e.g., MLOA, golden X day, legal duty, PD, APD) provided the pilot notifies Crew Scheduling of the conflict. Crew Tracking is not aware of a pilot’s future schedule when a reroute is created.
I did a complete word search of the PWA for "golden day" and "golden x" and the only protection I could find was CS could not assign you a trip into a golden X day. If there's more that I missed, I'd love to know about it.
04-22-2016, 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by full of luv
That's darn near Doctorate Level CBA understanding right there!!!
04-22-2016, 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by full of luv
That's darn near Doctorate Level CBA understanding right there!!!
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