Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-24-2016 | 06:38 PM
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But they won't do that. They told me so at a road show a few years ago. Nothing to see here, move along. We didn't give anything up, it's only for the wide body reserves.
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03-25-2016 | 12:28 AM
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We have to keep this in mind when ALPA says something along the lines of "the company doesn't intend...." They used the same tactic with the sick leave on TA15.
The company didn't put the language into the contract because they didn't intend to use it.
03-25-2016 | 05:55 AM
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I just double checked the most recent AE results and noticed the header stated all conversions would be complete by 31 August. Pretty big AE to get all that done so soon, has anybody ever seen DAL not complete conversions in time, and if so are there any contractual repercussions?
03-25-2016 | 06:26 AM
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Haha I remember that sales pitch.
We have to keep this in mind when ALPA says something along the lines of "the company doesn't intend...." They used the same tactic with the sick leave on TA15.
The company didn't put the language into the contract because they didn't intend to use it.
We have to keep this in mind when ALPA says something along the lines of "the company doesn't intend...." They used the same tactic with the sick leave on TA15.
The company didn't put the language into the contract because they didn't intend to use it.
03-25-2016 | 07:40 AM
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I just double checked the most recent AE results and noticed the header stated all conversions would be complete by 31 August. Pretty big AE to get all that done so soon, has anybody ever seen DAL not complete conversions in time, and if so are there any contractual repercussions?
03-25-2016 | 08:32 AM
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03-25-2016 | 12:45 PM
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I went full last month and this month. Extra day off in each month. My buddy who sits one number Senior to me just went full, also. 4 extra days off this month for him. Nyc88B
03-25-2016 | 12:46 PM
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I hope you also acknowledge that pre C2012 they could also fly you to the ALV outside of any vacation you might have had. Now your vacation reduces your ALV to your own personal lower ALV. That's no comfort in a non vacation month but was a gain... even if offset elsewhere.
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03-25-2016 | 01:53 PM
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Sorry but that's a load of BS as well. The "full" number is prorated based on the number of days off and the adjustment is far from 1 for 1 credit. That's about as valid as saying that vacation is 7 extra days off in a reserve month. Acting as though it is easier to reach "full" status in a vacation month is not reality. It's the same and on avg it's now harder to fill up. I sat 5 years of reserve. Pretty much equal amounts under both systems. While pay is better under the new system (good thing obviously), filling up was much easier under the old system. Furthermore, the pilot was left with the choice of whether or not he/she wanted to fly over the full number. Anytime we take QOL options away from pilots it never ends well for us.
You could have had two weeks of vacation before C2012 and still owed the company up to the ALV worth of flying. That can't happen now. While I was not thrilled with giving the company the ability to assign a reserve pilot up to ALV+15 the number of those instances I am guessing is a whole lot less than the number of reserves in vacation months who are now flying less than they would have in the old system.
03-25-2016 | 02:30 PM
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You say "it was easier to fill up"...even in a vacation month? I would disagree with that. Yes it is not a 1-for-1 substitution, but under the pre C2012 contract vacation did not apply against your reserve obligation at all!
You could have had two weeks of vacation before C2012 and still owed the company up to the ALV worth of flying. That can't happen now. While I was not thrilled with giving the company the ability to assign a reserve pilot up to ALV+15 the number of those instances I am guessing is a whole lot less than the number of reserves in vacation months who are now flying less than they would have in the old system.
You could have had two weeks of vacation before C2012 and still owed the company up to the ALV worth of flying. That can't happen now. While I was not thrilled with giving the company the ability to assign a reserve pilot up to ALV+15 the number of those instances I am guessing is a whole lot less than the number of reserves in vacation months who are now flying less than they would have in the old system.
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