sailingfun

Pilot ignorance is amazing. The contract required we maintain 316 departures out of Narita only if the company maintained one small code share into Narita. That code share was generating about 250,000 a year in revenue! If the company dropped the code share we had zero protections for the Narita flying. Zero as in none. We were able to trade that for Pacific wide protections. Even Bill Bartels was touting that agreement as a significant acheivment of the Roberts administration. Strangely however he voted against it while touting it as a great deal for the pilots.

"""The existing Section 1 E. 2. prohibits code share on Fifth Freedom flights from Japan to Asian cities beyond Japan unless 316 weekly NRT slots are utilized. The 316 slots protected 80 percent of the slots that were in use when this provision was negotiated in 1998."""

notEnuf

You may be amazed by pilot ignorance but this was not communicated effectively and in the opinion of some was an inadequate trade. I fault the previous administration for their lack of transparency and poor communication about the lowered protection and metric conversion used in that theater. They operated in complete isolation and darkness to avoid oppositional voices until the deal was done and it was too late.

JamesBond

Is this your justification for the social media beatdown of the trade? Sometimes, pilots don't listen to what they don't want to hear.


And now we see topics about increased JV coverage and whatnot, and are incensed. It would be funny if it weren't so pathetic.


But hey let's keep those big RJs out.

Whereisalpa

[QUOTE=JamesBond says,
But hey let's keep those big RJs out.[/QUOTE]

Please share how more big RJ enhances my career?

JamesBond

Don't know yet. Haven't seen the package. But it reduces flying at DCI for starters, so that is a good thing as far as I can tell at this point.

OldFlyGuy

OK Honesty Check, it was communicated just peachy keen. Perhaps you just didn't want to read it. With the Japanese government pushing Intl flying to Haneda: what use was it to protect Narita flying? Improving the overall protections made more sense period. BTW every other "poster" here knows some one or claims to. I know a few people myself. The reports I hear of reps supporting things and then claiming they didn't when they get blow back are pretty rampant. That isn't leadership. That's CS. JMO, OFG

gloopy

LOL how is it a miracle? Marketing runs the airline with panicked decisions chasing pennies that trashes our trips and productivity then wants us to help out with more relief because they aren't as productive anymore. They can get every plane known to man and base every single one in every city we fly to if they want. Its not our problem to bail them out of the massive lack of productivity that results in. In fact, it shouldn't even be considered in the analysis.

Dirtdiver

Standby for zero backfill as MSP7ERs bid out/retire

notEnuf

How much of that "protected" flying are we doing now versus then? The pacific pull down will never recover even if we get Haneda slots. The reduction is permanent. Our partners will fill in if/when the yen and travel turn around.

RockyBoy

Next on the list, LAX 320.....