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Old 11-16-2018 | 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by GuardPolice
You honestly believe the company went through all this effort just to set a honey-trap? That’s a grade A conspiracy theory right there. If it was a trap as you claim, it wouldn’t be voluntary to participate like it is.

I’ve been a part of SkyHub for several months now and it has been nothing but a great communication tool for daily ops and specific groups that I’m involved in.
Conspiracy, huh. No, I'd call it more like Personnel Management, circa 2018. Mandatory Enrollment. I read every day about people fired for things they post on the internet, including DL employees! If you read the terms, you must comply with the DL Rules of the Road and The Way We Fly, and if you read those, as I did, you can see that penalties for not complying with them can include punishment up to and including termination. Buyer beware.
Old 11-16-2018 | 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by flyallnite
Conspiracy, huh. No, I'd call it more like Personnel Management, circa 2018. Mandatory Enrollment. I read every day about people fired for things they post on the internet. If you read the terms, you must comply with the DL Rules of the Road and The Way We Fly, and if you read those, as I did, you can see that penalties for not complying with them can include punishment up to and including termination. Buyer beware.

Mandatory enrollment but NOT mandatory participation. Your solid advice notwithstanding about SM in general, I don’t foresee many pilots posting much if at all.
Old 11-16-2018 | 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by tahoejace
Same here. iPad Ambassadors have been using SkyHub since Feb/Mar. I’ve found it to be useful for exactly what the company says it’s for: sharing information. Questions generated on the line were asked and answered by the people directly connected to the subject matter. Very effective, in my opinion.

It’s hardly the doomsday device ALPA is making it out to be. The service isn’t even public, for crying out loud. I can’t figure out the outrage over another Delta employee being able to *GASP* see what your job is and where you are based! The horror!
apparently the app has location tracking in it. I think that's their concern...not sure why you'd download the app though. Just use the website version whenever you need it.
Old 11-16-2018 | 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by GuardPolice
Mandatory enrollment but NOT mandatory participation. Your solid advice notwithstanding about SM in general, I don’t foresee many pilots posting much if at all.
Correct. Facebook is the platform they are using. Can you imagine the data mining opportunities the company has using this? Cambridge Analytica anyone? The privacy implications here are huge. We aren't talking about some message board here...this thing watches you. It's a corporate wet dream and an employee nightmare...sorry for those of you whose pet project this is, but this is not a good thing for us. More about FB privacy issue here if interested...

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/11/technology/facebook-privacy-hearings.html
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apparently the app has location tracking in it. I think that's their concern...not sure why you'd download the app though. Just use the website version whenever you need it.
Nope. The website has location tracking too. This is Facebook...and all that entails.
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Originally Posted by flyallnite
Correct. Facebook is the platform they are using. Can you imagine the data mining opportunities the company has using this? Cambridge Analytica anyone? The privacy implications here are huge. We aren't talking about some message board here...this thing watches you. It's a corporate wet dream and an employee nightmare...sorry for those of you whose pet project this is, but this is not a good thing for us. More about FB privacy issue here if interested...



https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/11/t...-hearings.html

Please forgive my skepticism on ALPA’s position on this considering the amount of personal info a pilot has to fork over for certain medical issues. I don’t see them screaming from the rooftops about that.
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Originally Posted by flyallnite
Nope. The website has location tracking too. This is Facebook...and all that entails.
How can a website track you on your laptop?
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
How can a website track you on your laptop?
Google has no problem. I get a travellog monthly, including international.
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How can a website track you on your laptop?
when you log into the site...unless it's more advanced than i know. An app on your phone can track you 24/7 though.
Old 11-16-2018 | 12:33 PM
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Please forgive my skepticism on ALPA’s position on this considering the amount of personal info a pilot has to fork over for certain medical issues. I don’t see them screaming from the rooftops about that.
I don't even care about ALPA's position on this, although I believe it to be well founded. I have two main issues with using this: First, I think it opens up pilots (and others, but I'm concerned here with us) to the pitfalls of modern social media, with a particularly focused work hazard. People can say things that get taken out of context, or trolled to say things out of anger. Once it's out there, it's out there, and your name's on it. Most people seem to get that, but some don't.

Secondly, and what I'm really most concerned about, is that Facebook is a data engineering company. We are the product. It's not just your name, position and base they can see. If you're logged in on your web browser for example, it can collect data about everything you do, when you do it, and where you've done it from. Facebook collects web browsing data from other websites you visit, off of Facebook. This is what you agree to when you click "I Agree".

You bring up the health issue, Facebook can see what health issues you're searching for on the internet, what websites you searched, the time of day or night you searched, and from where you searched. They also have access to any apps you use. That's what they do. I'm not comfortable sharing that data with my employer, and neither should anyone else be. We need some clarification on this before it's used. Until then, i'd be sure to log off before galavanting around the web. And I wouldn't use the app.
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