Originally Posted by BobZ

Well....in the first post bankruptcy contract those on property could have had the mentality of throwing those not on property under the bus.

B-scale II.

Why not? Screw the new guys and use them to benefit our situation.

Its been done before. Industrywide.

That didnt happen. In fact on balance nearly the opposite happened.

When you talk to a 25+ year pilot...understand you are crying poor me about pwa participation to a pilot who arrived to the same things you now cite......PLUS welfare level wages, no pass privelidges, NO JUMPSEAT, no 401k, and on and on.

A new hire today arrives as a full participant in the pwa. Probation is no longer 12 months....at a criminally low fixed salary.

I fly with new hires on gs trips. Full 16% 401k. Full PS. Virtually everything the pwa offers to a delta pilot is available from the start.

The current pwa is hands down the best and most equitable in the history of this group. It has not only upside but also downside protections.

The things you are complaining about here clearly bother you.....but on the historical landscape of this groups pwa evolution.....your issues are really peanuts.

Originally Posted by Buck Rogers

You knuckleheads do realize that this is a zero sum game don't you? For every gain the junior pilot achieves....the senior pilot paYs for it.


Sorry, after 5 years on the B-scale,.....I helped pay a second time to get ride of it.... The initial B scale cost me in the neighborhood of $150,000 .......That I thought it was wrong, and the subsequent across the board pay raises were lowered to get rid of it is mox-nix to you guys......I'm still "selfish and should retire" cause I'm impacting your progression


Like I said.....the best analogy I have is Democratic Sociaslism......ALPA/THE COMPANY will pay for it.....I mean after all they are making BILLIONS.....am I right?

Originally Posted by Iceberg

No reading comprehension mishap. I don’t believe you read my post. I didn’t cite squat. In a paraphrase of my earlier post, I said’ “Buck no agree, Buck think idiots on web stupid. Buck make long obnoxious post to prove point and everyone laugh then agree.”

Your weighing in was (as you later confess) a joke about a host of QOL issues..

Originally Posted by Buck Rogers

Am I misunderstanding something.....seems pretty unequivocal to me what you said


I heard exactly what you said....."the bottom 10% need their QOL improved........right? .....What is there to misunderstand?



For the bottom 10 % to improve, somebody has to pay for it.....you say the company will pay for it? They are making historic profits? You nig-nogs do understand that the pie is only $$$$$$full......how we split it up is up to us.


Somehow the "younger guys" think they have paid the same dues as the 30+ year guys......hmmmmm .....goood try.....not in my book......so I will continue to "pull up the ladder", till I feel you have shared equally

If this insults your sensibilities.....tooo bad

Originally Posted by buckleyboy

Buck, did you purposefully quote yourself earlier, or did you think you were posting as an alter ego to present the image that people agree with you?
If the latter, how many alter egos do you have?

Originally Posted by Buck Rogers

Not later you read challenged nit-wit...... did you just gloss over the (TIC) that was in the first post? hmmmmmm.....point proven.....look up humor again.....I find you humorous.....I din't think that was your goal but it was mine.....that you didn't find it humorous .....tough Titt....ies

Originally Posted by Iceberg

Very few people have said, “poor me.” Most have said, “I wish ____ was better.” I’m sure you have things you wish were better. Why belittle another’s wish list? You’ve got things, they’ve got things; give them to the union and let them try to get them.

No one is belittling the hardships you’ve faced. You had whatever deal you were hired under and management has taken claim to whatever they could. That sucks. Period. Now we need to claw them back with more. Not fight against each other.

All ideas are good ideas for someone. Take the aggregate and work for improvements.

Originally Posted by Iceberg

No reading comprehension mishap. I don’t believe you read my post. I didn’t cite squat. In a paraphrase of my earlier post, I said’ “Buck no agree, Buck think idiots on web stupid. Buck make long obnoxious post to prove point and everyone laugh then agree.”

Your weighing in was (as you later confess) a joke about a host of QOL issues.

Originally Posted by Buck Rogers

Not later you reading challenged nit-wit...... did you just gloss over the (TIC) that was in the first post? hmmmmmm.....point proven.....look up humor again.....I find you humorous.....I didn't think that was your goal, but it was mine.....that you didn't find it humorous .....tough Titt....ies

I'm not here to compare Johnson's about who had it worst......my point is.........

IT'S A ZERO SUM GAME......IF THE BOTTOM OF THE SENIORITY DOES BETTER,THE TOP OF THE SENIORITY PAYS FOR IT.


Just like Democratic Socialism....when the bottom 50% of the voters(who pay NO federal income tax) vote for more "free" sh*t".....the government/company doesn't pay for it......those bearing the tax load do



So, if the "less senior" get their "come-uppance, they get a win .....but he senior guys get...nada......that's win/no win


Sorry if life's "facts" are too much for you



THERE IS NO FREE LUNCH..........