TED74

Just so we're clear, these aren't just "my issues." I'm not a new hire, I'm not stuck in a base or category I don't want to be in, I'm not junior at Delta and I'm not junior in my category. I'm simply advocating for those folks because we (Delta and DALPA) can afford to. I understand things are way better for them than they've ever been, but I'll keep reading all the ways that's true if people want to keep listing them. It's interesting history and it's healthy to keep things in perspective. You can call these issues peanuts and they probably are; I have never claimed otherwise. So is the latest LOA in my mind... but I'm happy for the incremental improvement it should bring about.

We could pay for new hire hotels with a reduction in per diem (or reduction in gains there) of about 1 cent per hour. I spend way more than that on coffee for FAs and gate agents, but if that's too rich for some or it's "stealing from senior to give to junior," I guess I'm a socialist.

As far as extraction by the company from 5- or 25-year guys - you're misquoting me repetitively and if you keep doing it you might make me think I said something I didn't. The idea that a 3-year pilot has given more to Delta than a 30-year guy who lost his pension would be asinine and that's probably why you have so much fun attacking it. But that's not what I said.

Should a new hire get profit sharing? There might be some who think not. How about a 2010 hire? Again, some think not. After all,
those profits were made possible by the sacrifices of those who went through BK, and they'll never be made whole, right? In my world view, which I hold simply as my own, I'm glad everyone partakes in PS at an equal percentage of eligible earnings. The newbie flying a thousand of our hours in a year that we generate billions in profits helped produce those very profits... profits that are higher than historic by a factor of 20 or more. How much is attributable to his thousand hours of flying is debatable and frankly unknowable. I'm simply saying improving that new pilot's QOL is as important to me as improving that of the top 10%. There is an expense associated with that, and of course we'd all pay for it. I've also advocated for paying PS at some undetermined level for perhaps 5 years after retirement to ease the blow on retiring dead zoners, and clearly we'd all pay for that too.

House of Usher

I agree, along with:
-Tactical Cost Index (most airlines call it Cost Index)
-Aircraft Commander
-Flight Leader
-Target Landing Window

notEnuf

Wasn't that the mantra for TA1? Then...

notEnuf

Are you sure he/she is grumbletonian enough to get that jab?

notEnuf

If true its dead money. You may never count on it. Our lesson from bankruptcy...get it in your name, managements lesson from bankruptcy...you come out the other side as the worlds leader and achieve never before seen returns.

Who's motivation would you trust?

BobZ

It's hard to even comprehend how much money Delta is making, just as much (or more) on the backs of pilots hired in the last 5 years as 25.

Ok. Thats the direct quote of your assertion.

Id like to see your math to support how the 1/3 or so of the pilots hired in.last 5 years are producing more of the current economic results 'on their backs' than the rest of us?

Both in the day to day ops as well as the structural economics of the corporation paryicularly since bankruptcy.

Are they on half pay or less hourly scales for these five years? Like many of the pilots hired in the last 25 years were?

Have we sumhow otherwise denied them full access to pwa compensation and conditions to disproportionately subsidize the company economic performance?

Please. Enlighten me.

Pilots hired in the last five years joined an airline on the cusp of a booming economic success......built 100% ON THE BACKS of those pilots hired in the previous 25 years.

We have year 2 pilots that are in the left seat....and more than a few making well into 6 figures.....all as a result of the pwa and economic position the rest of us built and paid for.

So please. Spare me the cup-o-coffee comparisons.

notEnuf

This is how you change things for the future. If the guy coming in the door doesn't experience the hard ship we all experienced, then his/her tolerance for this is diminished. If, your intent is to make this better for future generations. Of course reparations would be nice but legally the note and claim satisfied that. these are all new benefits we seek.

gloopy

LOL right! I think once IA's start going out, its common for everyone who could get it to get the call. Its not like they have a high answer rate, plus its a robocall anyway. I'm not sure if there even is a batch size for IA's; they probably just soften the beaches with everything they have as soon as they lift the guard over the button to press it.

Baradium

Policy at least used to be that they would buy passengers in coach off before upgrading to Delta One, I know they started allowing medallion level passengers be upgraded in those situations but I thought it was limited to them and otherwise buyoffs still happened.

Baradium

This just shows that you don't know what "tactical cost index" means or a "target landing window" for that matter.

We have a cost index, that is what your release is planned at and that is how other airlines use the term as well. The tactical cost index is if you adjust your speed or the cost index itself based on changing situations such as arriving very early or running late and want to tell the company that you did so. Tactics isn't just a military term.


Since you don't know what tactical cost index is, I'm going to guess you don't know that the target landing window is what you are supposed to use to determine whether to use a tactical cost index.

I've never heard anyone use Aircraft Commander and "flight leader" for the A line flight attendant seems to be fairly common.