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Old 07-06-2017, 03:50 AM
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Keep in mind that this entire discussion could open up a can of worms at some point that we really don't want to explore. If state laws fully apply to workers under the RLA they will argue that they have the right to tax those workers and move for a repeal of the federal law that overrides states abilities to level taxes on transportation workers.
The courts have already ruled at the federal level that a pilots domicile is his place of work and since the place of work not residence is the taxing authority for states for all other workers this could become a bad thing.
You think NYC is junior now wait to see the result when everyone based there has to pay NYC state and city taxes!!
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Old 07-06-2017, 05:55 AM
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Keep in mind that this entire discussion could open up a can of worms at some point that we really don't want to explore. If state laws fully apply to workers under the RLA they will argue that they have the right to tax those workers and move for a repeal of the federal law that overrides states abilities to level taxes on transportation workers.
The courts have already ruled at the federal level that a pilots domicile is his place of work and since the place of work not residence is the taxing authority for states for all other workers this could become a bad thing.
You think NYC is junior now wait to see the result when everyone based there has to pay NYC state and city taxes!!
I understand your points, "law of unintended consequences" and all that. But - if an ATL based pilot (and lets say for arguments sake) he has his tax home in Georgia (house, car, etc - he really lives there), why shouldn't this Kincare law applied to him?

If he were to get furloughed, and applied for Unemployment, wouldn't the State of Georgia be the one processing that and paying him?

I can't see how a company like Delta can argue this Kincare law doesn't apply.
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Old 07-06-2017, 06:05 AM
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I understand your points, "law of unintended consequences" and all that. But - if an ATL based pilot (and lets say for arguments sake) he has his tax home in Georgia (house, car, etc - he really lives there), why shouldn't this Kincare law applied to him?

If he were to get furloughed, and applied for Unemployment, wouldn't the State of Georgia be the one processing that and paying him?

I can't see how a company like Delta can argue this Kincare law doesn't apply.
I agree with you on the ATL pilot living in GA and paying taxes. I know NY is chomping at the bit wanting to tax all the airline employees based there. This could be the ammunition they need if we start trying to pick and choose what RLA aspects apply and what aspects don't. They were ticked when a TWA pilot living in the Bahamas and based in NY tried to claim ex patriot status and the fed courts said NY was his domicile and therefore his place of work and he was not a ex patriot and owed all US federal taxes. NY felt that opened the door to tax all airline employees. We are one amendment inserted into some 1000 page bill from that reality.
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Old 07-06-2017, 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post
Keep in mind that this entire discussion could open up a can of worms at some point that we really don't want to explore. If state laws fully apply to workers under the RLA they will argue that they have the right to tax those workers and move for a repeal of the federal law that overrides states abilities to level taxes on transportation workers.
The courts have already ruled at the federal level that a pilots domicile is his place of work and since the place of work not residence is the taxing authority for states for all other workers this could become a bad thing.
You think NYC is junior now wait to see the result when everyone based there has to pay NYC state and city taxes!!
That won't happen. Imagine if all the people living in Connecticut and working on Wall St. had to pay NYC taxes. Or all the people living in Virginia paying DC taxes. Not in a million years. Delta will have to deal with this at some point, however. Delta would have been better served in the last negotiations by trying to reduce the total sick hours we have rather than going the verification route.

This is coming. DL will have to negotiate with ALPA to mitigate the effects, otherwise they will take an enormous hit in productivity and employee cost. If I were ALPA, I'd be looking to trade the benefit for a pension, nothing less.

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Old 07-06-2017, 07:48 AM
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Are we ever going to fix this abysmal excuse for an IT department? Can't access Travelnet "400 Bad Request." Can't access Deltanet at all on Safari. We contracted out our own employee website to Microsoft a few years ago and it went to hell.

Unbelievable. No other website I use has this problem.
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Old 07-06-2017, 07:50 AM
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Are we ever going to fix this abysmal excuse for an IT department? Can't access Travelnet "400 Bad Request." Can't access Deltanet at all on Safari. We contracted out our own employee website to Microsoft a few years ago and it went to hell.

Unbelievable. No other website I use has this problem.
Try deleting cookies. I got the same thing this morning and that fixed it.
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Old 07-06-2017, 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by flyallnite View Post
That won't happen. Imagine if all the people living in Connecticut and working on Wall St. had to pay NYC taxes. Or all the people living in Virginia paying DC taxes. Not in a million years. Delta will have to deal with this at some point, however. Delta would have been better served in the last negotiations by trying to reduce the total sick hours we have rather than going the verification route.

This is coming. DL will have to negotiate with ALPA to mitigate the effects, otherwise they will take an enormous hit in productivity and employee cost. If I were ALPA, I'd be looking to trade the benefit for a pension, nothing less.
That's exactly what they do. If you work on Wall Street you pay NY state and city taxes. If you work for Delta in the training department you pay GA taxes even if you live in FL. It's a income tax not a residence tax. Professional athletes pay taxes in every state they have a game. We are unique in having a exemption that allows us to fall back on our state of residence as long as you don't do more than 50% of your work in any one state.
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Old 07-06-2017, 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by flyallnite View Post
Try deleting cookies. I got the same thing this morning and that fixed it.
Thanks. That'll probably work and I appreciate the input. But why do I only have to do this with Deltanet out of the dozen other websites I use on a daily basis ... ?

It's enough to make a cat laugh.
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Old 07-06-2017, 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by flyallnite View Post
That won't happen. Imagine if all the people living in Connecticut and working on Wall St. had to pay NYC taxes. Or all the people living in Virginia paying DC taxes. Not in a million years.
In the caes you cite, they would have to pay those state income taxes.

Airline pilots are transportation workers. As such we pay taxes where we live
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Old 07-06-2017, 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Sputnik View Post
In the caes you cite, they would have to pay those state income taxes.

Airline pilots are transportation workers. As such we pay taxes where we live
I was wrong about CT and NY. I was thinking of NJ and PA, which have reciprocal tax agreements, you only pay in one state. Same with living in VA and working in DC. You don't pay DC tax.
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