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07-05-2017 | 06:15 PM
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This will only expand across the country. They know that. Instead of honoring the law and the laws of states where pilot bases are, they will make ALPA negotiate for it. It's coming, no reason to just hand it to the biggest base if the lawyers say they can stall it until negotiations.
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...unless we don't like the resultant legislation.
Our future, our fight.
...unless we don't like the resultant legislation.
07-05-2017 | 06:39 PM
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I suspect this will end up in court, either as an individual case or as a class action. A union can't negotiate what laws of the land apply and what laws don't.
07-05-2017 | 06:46 PM
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Both, because it says 10 rest and 8 sleep opportunity. Both of those have to be a part of the rest period in question. For example, hotel transportation still counts as "rest" like it used to even though the period was increased from 8 to 10. But an additional 8 hours minimum uninterrupted sleep opportunity was added. That can in no way imaginable be accomplished in 8 hours behind the door.
07-05-2017 | 06:49 PM
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Some states have additional plans, like NY state disability etc, where you have to pay into it but get whatever benefit it offers. But MN and CA et al are mandating that those bases get to use the same collectively negotiated benefit in excess of everyone else who paid equally to negotiate it in the first place. Good for one, good for all.
07-05-2017 | 06:52 PM
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Nor can states dictate how protected collectively bargained rights apply differently through sheer force of political will. If they want to offer a special benefit to their workers, they can do it at the state level with their magical taxes and all that.
07-05-2017 | 07:00 PM
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It absolutely should count for all pilots. As long as they have a base somewhere that requires a disproportionate benefit from a collectively bargained one, we all should get it.
Some states have additional plans, like NY state disability etc, where you have to pay into it but get whatever benefit it offers. But MN and CA et al are mandating that those bases get to use the same collectively negotiated benefit in excess of everyone else who paid equally to negotiate it in the first place. Good for one, good for all.
Some states have additional plans, like NY state disability etc, where you have to pay into it but get whatever benefit it offers. But MN and CA et al are mandating that those bases get to use the same collectively negotiated benefit in excess of everyone else who paid equally to negotiate it in the first place. Good for one, good for all.
07-06-2017 | 03:50 AM
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Keep in mind that this entire discussion could open up a can of worms at some point that we really don't want to explore. If state laws fully apply to workers under the RLA they will argue that they have the right to tax those workers and move for a repeal of the federal law that overrides states abilities to level taxes on transportation workers.
The courts have already ruled at the federal level that a pilots domicile is his place of work and since the place of work not residence is the taxing authority for states for all other workers this could become a bad thing.
You think NYC is junior now wait to see the result when everyone based there has to pay NYC state and city taxes!!
The courts have already ruled at the federal level that a pilots domicile is his place of work and since the place of work not residence is the taxing authority for states for all other workers this could become a bad thing.
You think NYC is junior now wait to see the result when everyone based there has to pay NYC state and city taxes!!
07-06-2017 | 05:55 AM
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Keep in mind that this entire discussion could open up a can of worms at some point that we really don't want to explore. If state laws fully apply to workers under the RLA they will argue that they have the right to tax those workers and move for a repeal of the federal law that overrides states abilities to level taxes on transportation workers.
The courts have already ruled at the federal level that a pilots domicile is his place of work and since the place of work not residence is the taxing authority for states for all other workers this could become a bad thing.
You think NYC is junior now wait to see the result when everyone based there has to pay NYC state and city taxes!!
The courts have already ruled at the federal level that a pilots domicile is his place of work and since the place of work not residence is the taxing authority for states for all other workers this could become a bad thing.
You think NYC is junior now wait to see the result when everyone based there has to pay NYC state and city taxes!!
If he were to get furloughed, and applied for Unemployment, wouldn't the State of Georgia be the one processing that and paying him?
I can't see how a company like Delta can argue this Kincare law doesn't apply.
07-06-2017 | 06:05 AM
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I understand your points, "law of unintended consequences" and all that. But - if an ATL based pilot (and lets say for arguments sake) he has his tax home in Georgia (house, car, etc - he really lives there), why shouldn't this Kincare law applied to him?
If he were to get furloughed, and applied for Unemployment, wouldn't the State of Georgia be the one processing that and paying him?
I can't see how a company like Delta can argue this Kincare law doesn't apply.
If he were to get furloughed, and applied for Unemployment, wouldn't the State of Georgia be the one processing that and paying him?
I can't see how a company like Delta can argue this Kincare law doesn't apply.
07-06-2017 | 06:48 AM
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Keep in mind that this entire discussion could open up a can of worms at some point that we really don't want to explore. If state laws fully apply to workers under the RLA they will argue that they have the right to tax those workers and move for a repeal of the federal law that overrides states abilities to level taxes on transportation workers.
The courts have already ruled at the federal level that a pilots domicile is his place of work and since the place of work not residence is the taxing authority for states for all other workers this could become a bad thing.
You think NYC is junior now wait to see the result when everyone based there has to pay NYC state and city taxes!!
The courts have already ruled at the federal level that a pilots domicile is his place of work and since the place of work not residence is the taxing authority for states for all other workers this could become a bad thing.
You think NYC is junior now wait to see the result when everyone based there has to pay NYC state and city taxes!!
This is coming. DL will have to negotiate with ALPA to mitigate the effects, otherwise they will take an enormous hit in productivity and employee cost. If I were ALPA, I'd be looking to trade the benefit for a pension, nothing less.
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