FL370esq

You have two issues going on which need to be looked at together - FAR 117 and the PWA (and, despite your previous post, I don't think my reference was extraneous info).

First off, I hope we now agree that the beginning of your short call starts the beginning of your FAR-defined RAP.

In your case, you said your short call began at 04:00 which means your RAP began at 04:00. Applying the language of FAR 117.21.c.3, for short call reserve under an unaugmented operation:

"the total number of hours a fightcrew member may spend in a fight duty period and a reserve availability period may not exceed the lesser of the maximum applicable fight duty period in Table B of this part plus 4 hours, or 16 hours, as measured from the beginning of the reserve availability period"

Your RAP/short call began at 04:00. Worst case scenario, 20:00 was your "pumpkin time" for any subsequently assigned FDP (04:00+16hrs=20:00). You said you were given an FDP that started at 13:00 with one flying leg (DH legs don't count for FDP table reductions) which results in a 12 hour max FDP using Table B. Adding 4 hours to that FDP (per 117.21.c.3) would give you 16 hours but you were already 9 hours into your RAP when your FDP started. As such, you really had a max FDP of 7 hours (13:00 to 20:00 when you hit your RAP start +16 hours limit).

The problem with the PWA is that it fails to acknowledge/account for the existence of a RAP which most certainly can limit your maximum FDP. So, again going back to my previous (and "extraneous") post, 12.D.4.a states:

"a duty period that contains an FDP and ends in a deadhead flight segment will be scheduled to be at least 30 minutes less than the pilot’s applicable FDP limit under Section 12 D. 1. – 3. from report to block-in of the last deadhead flight segment. A pilot will not be rerouted or required to depart from the gate on a deadhead flight segment that is scheduled to block in more than one hour beyond such limit. Note: A deadhead flight segment(s) that is scheduled to operate after the last non- deadhead flight segment in an FDP will not be included in the number of flight segments in such FDP under Section 12 D. 2."

Even though the PWA table (which is a replication of FAR 117 Table B) shows a 12 hour FDP, it does so without consideration of the existence of your previously assigned RAP. Your FDP limit was actually 7 hours because of your 04:00 RAP. Was your assigned rotation such that you were scheduled to have flown and been blocked back in from your DH by 19:30 that day? If not, you should bring this up with DALPA Scheduling and Contract Admin.

This also begs the question as to whether or not a DH added at the end of an FDP (where you flew one or more legs...as was your case) which takes you beyond the FDP limit (permissible by FARs but not permitted to be scheduled as such by the PWA) is to be treated like a DH-only period for purposes of calculating additional compensatory rest.

Kjazz130

Heard a rumor today that the 717 was going to be the first fleet with iPads. Anybody in the know want to confirm? Is May still the roll out?

velosnow

The lowest paid fleet should get the goods first

asacimesp

Well.... there simply isn't enough time to have your surface crash and have to do a hard reboot between Atlanta and CHA/GSP/AGS, etc... it only makes sense.

Kjazz130

True...I had it overheat right after T/O between SAV and ATL and got it back as we descended through 18k. 😂

Dustycrophopper

Is the holiday pass a positive space pass for your spouse or family or just higher priority? Where I want to take them will require a connection in Atlanta for them and I don’t want to get them stranded.
Thanks

notEnuf

Its a lower priority. Everyone uses S2 around the holidays. The passes are S2B.

full of luv

S2B is less than S2, but more than S3. Best of luck.

Vincent Chase

IOW, the S2B your family gets is pretty much worthless if every other passrider (assuming they're riding with an S2-holding employee) wants to use one of their 6 S2s to put themselves ahead of your fam. Pretty good deal, huh? I'm sure Sailingfun will be here soon to put a better spin on it.

gloopy

Its an optional extra free higher priority than an S3. If they want a full S2, use one of theirs. Simple.

There is no entitlement for a spouse trying to go with a spouse on a holiday to bump a pilot trying to get to/from work on a holiday when the pilot is even willing to burn an S2 to do so. In that case, the pilot using an S2 should absolutely go ahead of the spouse who isn't even willing or able to (because they already used them all up or want to save them for something else).