Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
11-22-2017, 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by RockyBoy
Technically just 2 hours unless you agree to extend 2 more hours right? I think an extension in that scenario would be a very poor choice. Extensions are for duty days that get delayed for whatever reason.....not a reserve guy working 2 more hours.
11-22-2017, 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by deadseal
Negative, deadhead does not count towards the fdp. Ask me how I know this. 4am shortcall start, 1pm flight, second leg a deadhead, 18 hour day from the 4am start. Under this rule, they could deadhead you right at the end according to alpa guy. Frankly I was sort of shocked/****ed that we don’t have PWA protection from this.
I'm sure glad they used science to figure out those rules. Not sure what kind of science, but at least it was science. Here's another gem that made me wonder.
DH on red-eye SLC-MCO. Sit 90 minutes. Operate flight to JFK. All legal because of the DH. That is more of a contractual gem, but still a pile of crap. It was a GS so I did it with a smile, but that JFK flight was a tough one even all hopped up on Red Bull and Cappuccinos. Would have went to a SC guy had they had one......no thanks.
11-22-2017, 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by RockyBoy
Scheduling won't let you go any earlier than 2 hours before you are done....which really isn't a favor because they can't really use you then anyways.
11-22-2017, 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Vincent Chase
L'idiot. That's the name.
In Frankfurt, the best Chicken schnitzel I’ve had over there, was at a place everyone called Horst. Again, that wasn’t the real name, that was the name of the owner or chef, so everyone called it that. My comment, while not helpful, didn’t really make me an idiot.
Happy Thanksgiving.
11-23-2017, 02:25 AM
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Originally Posted by RockyBoy
Hmm......well that sucks. Another FAR 117 surprise. Kinda like getting 3 5-day domestic trips back to back. Ask me how I know that can happen. I'm sure glad they used science to figure out those rules. Not sure what kind of science, but at least it was science.
Here's another gem that made me wonder.
DH on red-eye SLC-MCO. Sit 90 minutes. Operate flight to JFK. All legal because of the DH. That is more of a contractual gem, but still a pile of crap. It was a GS so I did it with a smile, but that JFK flight was a tough one even all hopped up on Red Bull and Cappuccinos. Would have went to a SC guy had they had one......no thanks.
I'm sure glad they used science to figure out those rules. Not sure what kind of science, but at least it was science. Here's another gem that made me wonder.
DH on red-eye SLC-MCO. Sit 90 minutes. Operate flight to JFK. All legal because of the DH. That is more of a contractual gem, but still a pile of crap. It was a GS so I did it with a smile, but that JFK flight was a tough one even all hopped up on Red Bull and Cappuccinos. Would have went to a SC guy had they had one......no thanks.
If is somewhere else on the trip it counts towards duty.
11-23-2017, 05:38 AM
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Originally Posted by deadseal
Negative, deadhead does not count towards the fdp. Ask me how I know this. 4am shortcall start, 1pm flight, second leg a deadhead, 18 hour day from the 4am start. Under this rule, they could deadhead you right at the end according to alpa guy. Frankly I was sort of shocked/****ed that we don’t have PWA protection from this.
11-23-2017, 05:40 AM
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To you financial geniuses out there, well I know we're all Pilots so we're all Financial Geniuses but really..... it's shaping up to be the same profit sharing check this February as we got last February?
11-23-2017, 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Imapilot2
To you financial geniuses out there, well I know we're all Pilots so we're all Financial Geniuses but really..... it's shaping up to be the same profit sharing check this February as we got last February?
11-23-2017, 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Duty Period Ending in a Deadhead Flight Segment a. A duty period that contains an FDP and ends in a deadhead flight segment will be scheduled to be at least 30 minutes less than the pilot's applicable FDP limit under Section 12 D. 1. – 3. from report to block-in of the last deadhead flight segment. A pilot will not be rerouted or required to depart from the gate on a deadhead flight segment that is scheduled to block in more than one hour beyond such limit.
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11-23-2017, 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by deadseal
That’s correct sailing but the fdp starts at the report time of the flight, not the start of shortcall. Which is what we are talking about. The question is wether being on shortcall is arduous enough to warrant tacking on a time limit to the rest of the day? These waves ain’t gonna surf themselves bra
For an unaugmented operation, the total number of hours a fightcrew member may spend in a fight duty period and a RAP may not exceed the lesser of the FDP from Table B plus 4 hours, or 16 hours, as measured from the beginning of the RAP.
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