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11-23-2017, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by FL370esq
Not quite:
For an unaugmented operation, the total number of hours a fightcrew member may spend in a fight duty period and a RAP may not exceed the lesser of the FDP from Table B plus 4 hours, or 16 hours, as measured from the beginning of the RAP.
For an unaugmented operation, the total number of hours a fightcrew member may spend in a fight duty period and a RAP may not exceed the lesser of the FDP from Table B plus 4 hours, or 16 hours, as measured from the beginning of the RAP.
11-23-2017, 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by deadseal
I’m not trying to have a reg off, full of turkey and wine. There is no limit that is hinged to the start of shortcall according to the alpa guy. He kept quoting me the note below table C where a deadhead will not be counted. The RAP is not shortcall start.
2) The "alpa guy" is misinformed. Short call is indeed a RAP. And the 16-hour limit or Table+4 limit (once calculated) is measured from the start of the short-call.
11-23-2017, 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
1) Sailing quoted the PWA directly.
2) The "alpa guy" is misinformed. Short call is indeed a RAP. And the 16-hour limit or Table+4 limit (once calculated) is measured from the start of the short-call.
2) The "alpa guy" is misinformed. Short call is indeed a RAP. And the 16-hour limit or Table+4 limit (once calculated) is measured from the start of the short-call.
11-23-2017, 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by deadseal
Well according to alps you are not correct , though I wish you were. Spent an hour with pilot support and alpa over this
"A duty period that contains an FDP and ends in a deadhead flight segment will be scheduled to be at least 30 minutes less than the pilot’s applicable FDP limit under Section 12 D. 1. – 3. from report to block-in of the last deadhead flight segment. A pilot will not be rerouted or required to depart from the gate on a deadhead flight segment that is scheduled to block in more than one hour beyond such limit."
11-23-2017, 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by FL370esq
They don't always get it right....see the above posts and, as said before, reference 12.D.4.a of the PWA which expressly states:
"A duty period that contains an FDP and ends in a deadhead flight segment will be scheduled to be at least 30 minutes less than the pilot’s applicable FDP limit under Section 12 D. 1. – 3. from report to block-in of the last deadhead flight segment. A pilot will not be rerouted or required to depart from the gate on a deadhead flight segment that is scheduled to block in more than one hour beyond such limit."
"A duty period that contains an FDP and ends in a deadhead flight segment will be scheduled to be at least 30 minutes less than the pilot’s applicable FDP limit under Section 12 D. 1. – 3. from report to block-in of the last deadhead flight segment. A pilot will not be rerouted or required to depart from the gate on a deadhead flight segment that is scheduled to block in more than one hour beyond such limit."
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11-23-2017, 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by deadseal
Maybe we are going in circles but according to alpa the start of the short call is not the start of the fdp
Shortcall is most certainly the start of a RAP. Shortcall is not the start on an FDP.
Read the FAR...
FAR 117.21.(c)(3) For short call reserve: For an unaugmented operation, the total number of hours a fightcrew member may spend in a fight duty period and a reserve availability period may not exceed the lesser of the maximum applicable fight duty period in Table B of this part plus 4 hours, or 16 hours, as measured from the beginning of the reserve availability period.
11-23-2017, 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by FL370esq
True statement. However, you started your short call at 4 am right? When did u report for your flying leg?
I guess to try and answer the OPs question, where is it written that a last leg dead head is capped by the shortcall start time?
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11-23-2017, 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by FL370esq
True statement. However, you started your short call at 4 am right? When did u report for your flying leg?
Shortcall is most certainly the start of a RAP. Shortcall is not the start on an FDP.
Read the FAR...
FAR 117.21.(c)(3) For short call reserve: For an unaugmented operation, the total number of hours a fightcrew member may spend in a fight duty period and a reserve availability period may not exceed the lesser of the maximum applicable fight duty period in Table B of this part plus 4 hours, or 16 hours, as measured from the beginning of the reserve availability period.
Shortcall is most certainly the start of a RAP. Shortcall is not the start on an FDP.
Read the FAR...
FAR 117.21.(c)(3) For short call reserve: For an unaugmented operation, the total number of hours a fightcrew member may spend in a fight duty period and a reserve availability period may not exceed the lesser of the maximum applicable fight duty period in Table B of this part plus 4 hours, or 16 hours, as measured from the beginning of the reserve availability period.
11-24-2017, 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by deadseal
A last leg deadhead is not part of the fdp, per table b note1
11-24-2017, 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by RockyBoy
Scheduling won't let you go any earlier than 2 hours before you are done....which really isn't a favor because they can't really use you then anyways.
Was short call 1100-2300. Called at 19:45 to see about getting released. “Sure, at 2100.”
Was able to crack my first Dogfish at 2059.30 and tilt it at 2100.01
So in a way, they did me a refreshing favor
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