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Old 06-14-2015 | 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by iceman49
Anyone trying to get on the hanger forum, check your in box or junk mail, confirmation email required.
It might be in your company email. I remember seeing something from chitchat there one time. I rarely look at that email account.
Old 06-14-2015 | 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by cni187
You people are all idiots.
Who are all these people?
Old 06-14-2015 | 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by MOTOJOE
Let everyone know that in section 14 of the new TA. Besides the 15 days sick look back in 365 days. There is also the invasion of your privacy look back. This is retroactive day of signing. 24 days sick in 365 and 52 days sick in 3yr look back. Delta now will have access to all your medical and prescription and anything else records!!! Basically cart blanch to your private life. Vote NO!
There is suppose to be a notepad coming out covering this and it should only be retroactive to June 1 (our sick time recharge date). TA still sucks and vote no but the look back is not true
Old 06-14-2015 | 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by cni187
You people are all idiots. Read your current contract section 15B. The new sick leave is only about changing the 100 hour requirement to a day's missed requirement. If there weren't people abusing the system right now then we wouldn't be discussing this. I've had captains tell me without my asking about times they called in sick and weren't sick. You know you're out there and I think the ones most upset about this are guilty parties. Where's the integrity in that huh?
BS. If there were people abusing the system, they'd be terminated. People aren't being terminated. End of story. Regarding the rest of your post, there's much more to this now. Read the actual TA language and see for yourself.

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Old 06-14-2015 | 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by DALMD88FO
There is suppose to be a notepad coming out covering this and it should only be retroactive to June 1 (our sick time recharge date). TA still sucks and vote no but the look back is not true
That is not the case. There is no such language in this TA referencing a retroactive limit back only to June 1 or only to the sick recharge date. Just the 1 year and 3 year lookback provisions themselves.

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Old 06-14-2015 | 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by cni187
You people are all idiots. Read your current contract section 15B. The new sick leave is only about changing the 100 hour requirement to a day's missed requirement. If there weren't people abusing the system right now then we wouldn't be discussing this. I've had captains tell me without my asking about times they called in sick and weren't sick. You know you're out there and I think the ones most upset about this are guilty parties. Where's the integrity in that huh?
If you think the only change is going from a 100 hour limit to a day limit YOU are the idiot. Go read the contract language and bullet points.

Never used more than 85 hours of sick time per year since working here. Under the new proposed system so far I would never have had to have the DHS verify a sick call so claiming that those against this are "abusers" is not fair. This is a big NO for me. What happens in C2018? Scheduling not allowed to approve a sick call so we have to call the DHS office to get approved to go out on sick leave for a trip? Very slippery slope that we don't want to go down here.
Old 06-14-2015 | 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Professor
The insulting thing is that we still do not have paternity leave or negotiated paid family leave to use as we like.

CPO should have stopped calling with c12.

The average sick leave usage went from about 50k hours/mo in June of 2012 to just over 65k hours/mo in 2015.

I feel as though many of us on the line view sick as a negotiated benefit to be used as it will. While the company views it differently.

There will be more information in the road show, certainly...but please standby for a neg. notepad on all of this.
Thanks for your time, but I don't need a neg. notepad, a roadshow, or a rep to tell me about the sick policy. I've read the language in the TA and unless it is changed I will vote no. This is one of 4 issues I have with the TA. The only issue I need a neg. notepad and rep info on is the EASK to block hour change. Other than that, I understand the sick policy, LCA bid pulling, and PS swap without a roadshow or neg. notepad. Unless those change (which they won't) my vote is a NO.
Old 06-14-2015 | 09:32 AM
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If this thing fails, all 4 ATL reps should resign. Shame on them for sending this POS to vote.
Old 06-14-2015 | 09:34 AM
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Twice a year, we have an outside party (your AME) determine whether we are medically qualified to perform our job. The rest of the year, THE INDIVIDUAL PILOT is responsible for this judgement.

Do not impugn my integrity or judgement if I choose to call in sick for something that isn't easily verified. I don't run to the MD when I have a cold (which, by the way, takes 10-15 days to run it's course), but I sure as hell won't show up to work like Typhoid Mary and expose my co-workers to my crud. Every time I hear some knucklehead say with pride in his voice, "I haven't called in sick for 15 years!", it drives me nuts.

You trust my judgement when I sign for a jet and take a plane-load of people into the Wild Blue. Why not extend that trust to my use of a negotiated benefit? The company is making this out to be a pilot integrity issue. That is a smokescreen, IMHO. This is a blatant attempt to cut costs through a concession that we shouldn't have to deal with. It is a safety of flight and a quality of life issue that should have been fought for by DALPA.
Old 06-14-2015 | 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by RockyBoy
Thanks for your time, but I don't need a neg. notepad, a roadshow, or a rep to tell me about the sick policy. I've read the language in the TA and unless it is changed I will vote no. This is one of 4 issues I have with the TA. The only issue I need a neg. notepad and rep info on is the EASK to block hour change. Other than that, I understand the sick policy, LCA bid pulling, and PS swap without a roadshow or neg. notepad. Unless those change (which they won't) my vote is a NO.

Rocky please consider attending a roadshow. Not for your learning opportunity, but for others. You probably remember from 2012 there's a lot of uniformed or undecided voters that catch parts of a road show between legs or before sign-in.

Use your vocality and knowledge of the issues at hand to benefit the profession. The company/union (yes I use those interchangeably) counts on the undecided voter being swayed on $'s alone and not on the big picture.


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