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06-26-2017, 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by BounceBounceBam
I'm on reserve for the first time in a long time, so this is new to me:
I've been getting "inverse assignment" robocalls at zero dark thirty on my days off. Notwithstanding that it's ridiculous to think that anyone could answer the phone at 0200 and be ready to check in at 0530, how would picking up an inverse assignment even work while on reserve? Would I get double pay, over and above my reserve pay? Would I get double credit toward my reserve commitment? What's the deal?
I've been getting "inverse assignment" robocalls at zero dark thirty on my days off. Notwithstanding that it's ridiculous to think that anyone could answer the phone at 0200 and be ready to check in at 0530, how would picking up an inverse assignment even work while on reserve? Would I get double pay, over and above my reserve pay? Would I get double credit toward my reserve commitment? What's the deal?
If you don't mind flying on your days off and having them slipped for more pay, don't call back.
Denny
06-26-2017, 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by tunes
I'm glad there are people like that. It allows me to barely work and stay at home with my family. There is a guy on CC complaining because he can't GS due to the 100 hours in 30 days FAR max. We need to protect ourselves from ourselves first and foremost.
Denny
06-26-2017, 08:24 AM
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Thank you, Denny!
Originally Posted by Denny Crane
On reserve, an inverse assignment acts just like a green slip. You get paid for the trip, as long as it is all on days off, above the reserve guarantee and you get your days off back. They become PB days and start at your first oncall day after the trip. If there are no more days in the month left and you are still owed days off, they go into your PB day bank which is located at the bottom of your Time Card.
If you don't mind flying on your days off and having them slipped for more pay, don't call back.
If you don't mind flying on your days off and having them slipped for more pay, don't call back.
06-26-2017, 10:52 AM
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Maybe It's just me but has anyone else noticed scheduling has been assigning trips to reserves much later lately compared to in the past? Kind of nice to know what you're doing... and before anyone asks, of course they have already assigned their short calls for the next day.
06-26-2017, 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by OldFlyGuy
I don't know about 60 hrs, but I've flown with very senior F/Os who swapped/dropped to be available to GS: ie get the greenie first and worry about filling up to the GS trigger later. Again, very senior and obvious manning issues. I've read these "I never get a GS" posts a million times. AND they never will if they keep volunteering to fly at straight rates. It is their contractual right. But clearly you are solving company manning issues and costing someone else at least double. The company LOVES this. That alone should be enough to consider what you are doing. Also, not just IMO, there is a limit to how much time you can be on the road without damaging your home life. How many straight pay 100 hour block months does it take to cover $2m in a divorce settlement? Also, not just IMO, I never G/S or W/S when we had people on furlough despite being pretty senior and anyone who did is a POS contract or not. OFG
I agree with you that we don't need guys flying 100 hours at straight rates. Most guys are actually smarter than that. I'll admit I OOBWS every once in a while if it looks like it will work out. There are a good many guys in NYC that do it. Most are NOT picking up to get to some mythical large month. Most, if you look at their schedules, are picking up to get to close to a normal month (I consider within 2-3 hours of 75 hours a normal month)
If guys want to place their anger in an email they should address it to the RCC. The trips in NYC have gotten progressively worse in the commutablility aspect. So guys roll the dice on getting a commutable trip out of ATL or DTW versus another night in the crashpad and away from family. Some times this doesn't work out for them and they end up with a short month. The downside to playing the game.
06-26-2017, 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
But no, the inbound FLT from SLC had canceled and I got rerouted to stay in AMS another day and fly relief Captain to Detroit, layover and DH home making it a 5 day trip now worth 26:55. The good part, I got an additional 16:52 reroute pay because the reroute got me home more than 30 hrs after my scheduled trip. (International rule for RR pay that becomes 25 hrs on July 2) I got to DTW and deviated DH and went home on the same day.
06-26-2017, 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
OldFlyGuy has it exactly right.
Its astounding to me that people can't understand this concept.
The crew schedulers probably have a bell they get to ring every time they cover a trip at straight rates that should have gone green. High-fives all around.
If we had an old school monthly cap with bow-wave and spillback we'd probably have another 1000 captains at this airline.
But no, people want to fly 99 hours a month. They think restrictions on picking up time do nothing but limit their earnings.
Its lunacy, but I guess its an unstoppable trend.
The goal of contract negotiations used to be "More money. More time off."
The second part of that has kinda gone away.
Its astounding to me that people can't understand this concept.
The crew schedulers probably have a bell they get to ring every time they cover a trip at straight rates that should have gone green. High-fives all around.
If we had an old school monthly cap with bow-wave and spillback we'd probably have another 1000 captains at this airline.
But no, people want to fly 99 hours a month. They think restrictions on picking up time do nothing but limit their earnings.
Its lunacy, but I guess its an unstoppable trend.
The goal of contract negotiations used to be "More money. More time off."
The second part of that has kinda gone away.
What I bolded above it exactly correct. Where I disagree with you is the fact that you don't seem to like guys doing OOBWS even though it is contractual.
In my opinion other than guys whoring with Pilots on furlough there is no such thing as bad form - it is either contractual or not. If it is contractually authorized have at it.
I have seen senior guys totally work the system to maximize "their" pay. I applaud this.
Conversely if a more junior guy can maximize his pay via an OOBWS you would expect him not to do it so someone else can maximize their pay via a GS?
Sailing is totally correct here - where do we draw the line?
Every GS potentially eliminates a GSWC.
Every WS potentially eliminates a GS etc, etc, and so forth.
If it is per the contract you can be sure guys will do it and any move to convince fellow pilots not to do it will run afoul of the status quo.
The only way to change/fix this is via the contract.
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06-26-2017, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
Every GS potentially eliminates a GSWC.
Every WS potentially eliminates a GS etc, etc, and so forth.
Every WS potentially eliminates a GS etc, etc, and so forth.
06-26-2017, 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
On reserve, an inverse assignment acts just like a green slip. You get paid for the trip, as long as it is all on days off, above the reserve guarantee and you get your days off back. They become PB days and start at your first oncall day after the trip. If there are no more days in the month left and you are still owed days off, they go into your PB day bank which is located at the bottom of your Time Card.
If you don't mind flying on your days off and having them slipped for more pay, don't call back.
Denny
If you don't mind flying on your days off and having them slipped for more pay, don't call back.
Denny
06-26-2017, 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Crown
so an Inverse Assignment is the same as a GS to a reserve guy? There isn't 2x pay?
If you think about it, as a RES a GS does 'only' pay single pay over guarentee, however you get PB days. Which, in a roundabout way means you are getting double pay.
Plus, if you are a reserve/guard guy who never hits the 75 hour GS trigger, it allows you to reap the benefits you couldn't if you held a line.
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