Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
10-18-2019, 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by NeverFlexTO
from the base meeting...AE will be coming out more than likely in November....
Hiring 1350 next year...expect 3% growth every year for awhile, expect to be a net gain of 400 pilots a year, this includes growth, retirement, and attrition
2 New 350's coming in Q1 and Q2....LATAM jets are still up in air (need seat configure and cabin overhaul, will take approximately 2 years for cabin mod (marketing may put jets in as is Q4 of 2020 or Q1 of 2021
Opening 717 Base in MSP (30 crews) but removing 30-40 crews/FOs off 7ER on this next AE
Still looking at BOS as 320/7ER base with the growth there, surprisingly also looking at AUS as 320 base. MCO in mix as well...
757's to be redeployed into more shorthaul markets from ATL due to lower NPS scores than the 321 and believe it or not, quicker turnaround time from the 321 by about 5-10 minutes. 757 will be mainly going to a domestic market in the next 1-2 years. A321 NEOs will be doing transcons to start and Hawaii eventually
88's going away end of 2020, keeping around 15 MD90's for unknown time...
717's will stay at least till 2024 with potential till 2031 (life cycle ends in 2031)
7ER replacement still looking at NMA with Boeing but need to make decision soon
Airbus is having a quality control problem with jets out of Hamburg, which is pushing back some of our 321 deliveries 8-9-10 months
330-900NEO having some issues as well with certification of certain systems...
most new 350's will be deployed to DTW
No issues with A220 engines as ours are have lower thrust rating than Swiss and Baltic, buuuuuut, still having some growing pains with some of the quality coming out of Mirabel...
Hiring 1350 next year...expect 3% growth every year for awhile, expect to be a net gain of 400 pilots a year, this includes growth, retirement, and attrition
2 New 350's coming in Q1 and Q2....LATAM jets are still up in air (need seat configure and cabin overhaul, will take approximately 2 years for cabin mod (marketing may put jets in as is Q4 of 2020 or Q1 of 2021
Opening 717 Base in MSP (30 crews) but removing 30-40 crews/FOs off 7ER on this next AE
Still looking at BOS as 320/7ER base with the growth there, surprisingly also looking at AUS as 320 base. MCO in mix as well...
757's to be redeployed into more shorthaul markets from ATL due to lower NPS scores than the 321 and believe it or not, quicker turnaround time from the 321 by about 5-10 minutes. 757 will be mainly going to a domestic market in the next 1-2 years. A321 NEOs will be doing transcons to start and Hawaii eventually
88's going away end of 2020, keeping around 15 MD90's for unknown time...
717's will stay at least till 2024 with potential till 2031 (life cycle ends in 2031)
7ER replacement still looking at NMA with Boeing but need to make decision soon
Airbus is having a quality control problem with jets out of Hamburg, which is pushing back some of our 321 deliveries 8-9-10 months
330-900NEO having some issues as well with certification of certain systems...
most new 350's will be deployed to DTW
No issues with A220 engines as ours are have lower thrust rating than Swiss and Baltic, buuuuuut, still having some growing pains with some of the quality coming out of Mirabel...
I doubt very much we will open a new pilot base (AUS) for one aircraft type. Especially if it's a non-hub.
Unless they mean a base for aicraft.
10-18-2019, 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by NeverFlexTO
from the base meeting...AE will be coming out more than likely in November....
Hiring 1350 next year...expect 3% growth every year for awhile, expect to be a net gain of 400 pilots a year, this includes growth, retirement, and attrition
2 New 350's coming in Q1 and Q2....LATAM jets are still up in air (need seat configure and cabin overhaul, will take approximately 2 years for cabin mod (marketing may put jets in as is Q4 of 2020 or Q1 of 2021
Opening 717 Base in MSP (30 crews) but removing 30-40 crews/FOs off 7ER on this next AE
Still looking at BOS as 320/7ER base with the growth there, surprisingly also looking at AUS as 320 base. MCO in mix as well...
757's to be redeployed into more shorthaul markets from ATL due to lower NPS scores than the 321 and believe it or not, quicker turnaround time from the 321 by about 5-10 minutes. 757 will be mainly going to a domestic market in the next 1-2 years. A321 NEOs will be doing transcons to start and Hawaii eventually
88's going away end of 2020, keeping around 15 MD90's for unknown time...
717's will stay at least till 2024 with potential till 2031 (life cycle ends in 2031)
7ER replacement still looking at NMA with Boeing but need to make decision soon
Airbus is having a quality control problem with jets out of Hamburg, which is pushing back some of our 321 deliveries 8-9-10 months
330-900NEO having some issues as well with certification of certain systems...
most new 350's will be deployed to DTW
No issues with A220 engines as ours are have lower thrust rating than Swiss and Baltic, buuuuuut, still having some growing pains with some of the quality coming out of Mirabel...
Hiring 1350 next year...expect 3% growth every year for awhile, expect to be a net gain of 400 pilots a year, this includes growth, retirement, and attrition
2 New 350's coming in Q1 and Q2....LATAM jets are still up in air (need seat configure and cabin overhaul, will take approximately 2 years for cabin mod (marketing may put jets in as is Q4 of 2020 or Q1 of 2021
Opening 717 Base in MSP (30 crews) but removing 30-40 crews/FOs off 7ER on this next AE
Still looking at BOS as 320/7ER base with the growth there, surprisingly also looking at AUS as 320 base. MCO in mix as well...
757's to be redeployed into more shorthaul markets from ATL due to lower NPS scores than the 321 and believe it or not, quicker turnaround time from the 321 by about 5-10 minutes. 757 will be mainly going to a domestic market in the next 1-2 years. A321 NEOs will be doing transcons to start and Hawaii eventually
88's going away end of 2020, keeping around 15 MD90's for unknown time...
717's will stay at least till 2024 with potential till 2031 (life cycle ends in 2031)
7ER replacement still looking at NMA with Boeing but need to make decision soon
Airbus is having a quality control problem with jets out of Hamburg, which is pushing back some of our 321 deliveries 8-9-10 months
330-900NEO having some issues as well with certification of certain systems...
most new 350's will be deployed to DTW
No issues with A220 engines as ours are have lower thrust rating than Swiss and Baltic, buuuuuut, still having some growing pains with some of the quality coming out of Mirabel...
The hiring # was 850 - 1,350. 1,350 sounded unlikely as it was the number if they decided to “full kit” some of the pairings (pilots stay with the flight attendants throughout the day).
Interesting how two people can attend the same meeting and come away with very different impressions.
Ps. PB was explaining the different optimizers and admitted that in a perfect world they’d like to run the schedule just as the pre-month optimizer suggests (lowest pre month credit). The only reason they are backing it off now is they have realized they should really be trying to reduce “end of month” credit. This requires more buffers in the original schedule. Not because they really care about our QOL. It’s 100% about the numbers to them, as most of us know.
10-18-2019, 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by max gross
Interesting how you could get on here and relay the info like that. The “possible new bases” 🤦*♂️ was nothing more than a response to a pilot asking “if we were to add new bases, what would they be?” The usual names were thrown out, Boston, Austin, etc. Which was followed by Bob stating all the reasons we won’t be adding any......
The hiring # was 850 - 1,350. 1,350 sounded unlikely as it was the number if they decided to “full kit” some of the pairings (pilots stay with the flight attendants throughout the day).
Interesting how two people can attend the same meeting and come away with very different impressions.
Ps. PB was explaining the different optimizers and admitted that in a perfect world they’d like to run the schedule just as the pre-month optimizer suggests (lowest pre month credit). The only reason they are backing it off now is they have realized they should really be trying to reduce “end of month” credit. This requires more buffers in the original schedule. Not because they really care about our QOL. It’s 100% about the numbers to them, as most of us know.
The hiring # was 850 - 1,350. 1,350 sounded unlikely as it was the number if they decided to “full kit” some of the pairings (pilots stay with the flight attendants throughout the day).
Interesting how two people can attend the same meeting and come away with very different impressions.
Ps. PB was explaining the different optimizers and admitted that in a perfect world they’d like to run the schedule just as the pre-month optimizer suggests (lowest pre month credit). The only reason they are backing it off now is they have realized they should really be trying to reduce “end of month” credit. This requires more buffers in the original schedule. Not because they really care about our QOL. It’s 100% about the numbers to them, as most of us know.
10-18-2019, 10:34 AM
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So, you mean the end-of-month optimizer (reality) should take priority over the pre-month optimizer (unicorn/fantasy land)..... blasphemy... Organize the witch hunt!!!!
10-18-2019, 10:58 AM
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I guess what ever happens, let's keep the kool aid flowing.......
10-18-2019, 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by max gross
I guess what ever happens, let's keep the kool aid flowing.......
If they offer you a chance to make the kool-aid and see it being made, go for it. It's more fun when it's your kool-aid.
It's how corruption works. Feels good.
10-18-2019, 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by max gross
Interesting how you could get on here and relay the info like that. The “possible new bases” 🤦*♂️ was nothing more than a response to a pilot asking “if we were to add new bases, what would they be?” The usual names were thrown out, Boston, Austin, etc. Which was followed by Bob stating all the reasons we won’t be adding any......
The hiring # was 850 - 1,350. 1,350 sounded unlikely as it was the number if they decided to “full kit” some of the pairings (pilots stay with the flight attendants throughout the day).
Interesting how two people can attend the same meeting and come away with very different impressions.
Ps. PB was explaining the different optimizers and admitted that in a perfect world they’d like to run the schedule just as the pre-month optimizer suggests (lowest pre month credit). The only reason they are backing it off now is they have realized they should really be trying to reduce “end of month” credit. This requires more buffers in the original schedule. Not because they really care about our QOL. It’s 100% about the numbers to them, as most of us know.
The hiring # was 850 - 1,350. 1,350 sounded unlikely as it was the number if they decided to “full kit” some of the pairings (pilots stay with the flight attendants throughout the day).
Interesting how two people can attend the same meeting and come away with very different impressions.
Ps. PB was explaining the different optimizers and admitted that in a perfect world they’d like to run the schedule just as the pre-month optimizer suggests (lowest pre month credit). The only reason they are backing it off now is they have realized they should really be trying to reduce “end of month” credit. This requires more buffers in the original schedule. Not because they really care about our QOL. It’s 100% about the numbers to them, as most of us know.
I'm a glass half full kinda person, you must be glass half empty...I never interpreted that we "would" be opening any new bases, just that there always "looking" at it...obviously that's up to networking
The 1350 number has been tossed around at other meetings, its the first i've heard the lower end, I think 1350 is more likely than not. If they can do it, they will...
10-18-2019, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by NeverFlexTO
I'm a glass half full kinda person, you must be glass half empty...I never interpreted that we "would" be opening any new bases, just that there always "looking" at it...obviously that's up to networking
The 1350 number has been tossed around at other meetings, its the first i've heard the lower end, I think 1350 is more likely than not. If they can do it, they will...
The 1350 number has been tossed around at other meetings, its the first i've heard the lower end, I think 1350 is more likely than not. If they can do it, they will...
10-18-2019, 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by max gross
Fair enough. Either way it was a good meeting.
10-18-2019, 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by NeverFlexTO
Agreed, it definitely helped me figure out where i may potentially be on the pecking order in the next year in regards to the AE. It also gave me little confidence in our IT issues and fixes. This company is so pro-employee when it comes to the message and talking about the "employee experience" yet the IT issue and improving our experience as employees in that regard is all non beneficial to the the consumer, thus them not wanting to prioritize and spend money on IT things we needed 2-3 years ago
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