So what you';re saying is that you agree with me that the company can pretty much do whatever they want WRT the contract. The end result is we end up in court. How that plays out depends. Same as it ever was. However, until such time that the case is ruled upon, the effect is still ongoing unless a prelim stay is invoked. Fun times coming for sure.

They're going to use FM. No doubt. JL didn't just let that one slip. They are going to stomp all over our contract and use it for catbox liner. China flu is their wet dream. The only hope we have is a non-biased mediator.

If our contract is that meaningless, why haven’t they lowered ALVs already?

My guess is because we are taking tax payer money. I still have a hard time believing FM would be an option after being floated for 6 months by our government.


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IDK, maybe because they are going to furlough instead?

Who's to say they are not planning on doing that regardless? You act as if they won't. Yes, they haven't done it yet.

Minor point, but it won’t be an NMB mediator who makes that call. It would be a neutral selected by ALPA and the company under 19.G.2.

I agree with your larger point, when there is a grey area neutrals usually side with the company. They also tend to respond to necessity of business arguments very favorably.

No I don’t agree with you. FM applies to specific items in the contract. Those items are almost all in section 1 and a small portion of section 21. FM can’t be used for anything else. Please get a copy of the contract. It can be downloaded from both the company and union.

You think management enjoyed the dream where revenue was decimated and billions in profits were turned into billions in losses but, omg, they were able to get concessions from the pilots? My guess is the “wet” part was tears.

There was much they could do along the way yet they rode the train.

they are not tied to the airline like we are. They can move on very easily and most likely will find a soft landing if the worse happens to the airline.

I don't shed a tear for them. Not one.

We'll see soon enough how they plan to gut the PWA forthwith. Lucky I VEOP on 1 Sept. You'll have to deal with the fallout and the absolute decimation of your QOL.

One more time, FM applies only to parts of section 1 and section 21. You can’t seem to grasp that small but critical item in claiming management plans to rip the contract up and if you believe your own statement you would never take the VEOP because it would be the very first thing management would dump via FM.

I didn’t say you shed a tear for them. I don’t either. You’re correct they don’t have the same tie we have to the company, although I would like to think their success or failure would affect their future job prospects. Easy to not sweat when you have made millions though.

My point was more along the lines of your contending the “China flu” was their wet dream because they can come after our contract. I doubt that is such a wonderful situation for them.

Enjoy your retirement. I’m sure I’ll manage through the decimation of my QOL. It’s all down hill from here in the short term. Paid to stay home beats either option the UNAs are facing come 10/1 but I’m hoping to reduce the uncertainty in life by returning to a flying category.