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Old 01-05-2010 | 06:35 AM
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Well look at the press reports.

Do not trade it anymore........ But I bet it goes to 18 this year.
Old 01-05-2010 | 06:36 AM
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DAL - Last Trade: 12.07

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Old 01-05-2010 | 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyingSig
I learned this the first week of indoc ten years ago. Not sure why it's a big surprise now (esp. to fDAL guys).

I was reminded of it (by the union) when the union put out a contract bulletin about it after they made the company put the reminder pop up in dbms a few years ago.

Not sure how much they stressed it in fNWA info (if at all?) but I'd think it's reasonable to say that even if they didn't know about it, after they get the pop up screen reminding them to enter the expenses, they'd at least ask a question of somebody?
I figured you would know about this but most do not.
Old 01-05-2010 | 06:38 AM
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Guys,

I want to say that the folks over at Crew Resources have worked particularly hard during the past couple of weeks.

There may be a couple errors in the bid, but I'm sure that they are reviewing the entire bid from top to bottom and I would imagine that ALPA and Management are watching this closely. We all have to have confidence in this system, but also must realize that there may be mistakes. This is where we come in. All of us need to closely scrutinize our particular results. For the most part, you can tell if you receive the correct award.

When this bid is complete and put through some type of QA, perhaps we (ALPA) should take a look at how the bids are processed so this won't be a normal occurrence.

TC
Old 01-05-2010 | 06:40 AM
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Anybody know if we can reserve jumpseats across N and S lines yet? Im a south pilot and want to jump on a NW ac.

Do NW 755's have 2 jumpseats?
Old 01-05-2010 | 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
The AE process is very liberal by design.

If there were mistakes made, then yes, they will fix them, but they will also have the right to stop the cascading effect by holing a few extra in category.
I don't think so. They have the right to prevent cascading events by creating a a legitimate (i.e. correct) award where they control the total number of pilots that go into a category, or displace. Fine. That doesn't give them the right to avoid solving errors, just because the resolution of errors would cause a cascade. These are two vastly different concepts.
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Let's play with an example.

Four pilots, in seniority order, A,B,C,D. All are very senior F/O's. The bid only offers two positions: a WB Captain position, and a NB Captain position.
-A, B, D bid WB Captain first, then NB Captain.
-C bids the senior NB Captain position only.
-A & B put several restrictions, all of which are met in the awards.
-D puts no restrictions.

First scenario: the company decides to offer an extra seat in the WB category, because it would suit their purposes, for whatever reason, and not award the position in the NB category.
-A & B are WB Captains.
-C gets nothing.

The company manipulated the total number of people in both categories, but seniority is respected. End of story.

Second scenario: the Company doesn't deviate from the planned number, and awards what was posted: one WB Captain., one NB Captain. Except it makes a mistake: itfails to recognize that A & B's restrictions for WB Captain are met, and only awards D WB Captain, and C NB Captain.
-A complaints.
-B doesn't catch on, and fails to complaint.
-Company moves A to WB Captain category, keeps D there, and carries the overage of 1.

As you can see, failing to complaint means that B gets neither his first, nor his second choice. So, one type of manipulation (changing the total people in a category without discrimination) can affect pilots in general, but correcting errors selectively can affect individual pilots, out of seniority.

My argument: You can't solve A's problem, and ignore B.
Old 01-05-2010 | 06:40 AM
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I bet the stock is taking off because Mesa finally filed!
Old 01-05-2010 | 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Tomcat
Guys,

I want to say that the folks over at Crew Resources have worked particularly hard during the past couple of weeks.

There may be a couple errors in the bid, but I'm sure that they are reviewing the entire bid from top to bottom and I would imagine that ALPA and Management are watching this closely. We all have to have confidence in this system, but also must realize that there may be mistakes. This is where we come in. All of us need to closely scrutinize our particular results. For the most part, you can tell if you receive the correct award.

When this bid is complete and put through some type of QA, perhaps we (ALPA) should take a look at how the bids are processed so this won't be a normal occurrence.

TC
Agreed TC. They've been working very hard, and I too think they deserve thanks and recognition. Way to go guys and gals, and thanks for being quick.
Old 01-05-2010 | 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by roadrunner65
Anybody know if we can reserve jumpseats across N and S lines yet? Im a south pilot and want to jump on a NW ac.

Do NW 755's have 2 jumpseats?

One. Do the South 757's have two?
Old 01-05-2010 | 06:42 AM
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I bet the stock is taking off because Mesa finally filed!
It's gotta be something!
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