Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
01-18-2010 | 07:43 AM
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01-18-2010 | 07:54 AM
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Some people are naturally divisive, love to concentrate on the differences and point out the negatives. Luckily we have the smart ones who know how to bring a group with widely divergent interests together. Those will be the people who help us achieve Restoration+ 2012.
01-18-2010 | 07:54 AM
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Heyas Super,
Problem is that you have guys at DAL just like we had guys at NWA, that have their head in the sand, and won't consider ANY alternatives.
Then there are the nancy boys who quiver at the sound of management's voice and then proclaim "we can get anything unless we give something up", even the items that we should have as a cost of doing business.
Between these two groups, I weep for 2012....
Nu
Problem is that you have guys at DAL just like we had guys at NWA, that have their head in the sand, and won't consider ANY alternatives.
Then there are the nancy boys who quiver at the sound of management's voice and then proclaim "we can get anything unless we give something up", even the items that we should have as a cost of doing business.
Between these two groups, I weep for 2012....
Nu
Thats the group that scares me the most!!!
We shouldnt have to give up anything anymore, Its all been given up over the past decade.
01-18-2010 | 07:59 AM
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New DAL Guy (probably former RJ guy): "I want scope scope scope spam spam spam eggs bacon spam spam beans and spam scope scope..."
Old DAL Guy: "SHUT UP ABOUT YOUR **** SCOPE! Nobody wants to hear it because it means nothing to me..."
New DAL Guy: "Wow, Air France 747, whats it doing here? I thought we flew there? Oh look, KLM? Is that China Southern? What are they doing here.... whats this about a new AE with surpluses? FedEx package? Why do I have a FedEx package for me at home?"
You know Nu you're right, if we could divide pilots by political affiliation it'd be interesting to see who were the tough guys, rough necks, where's the money crowd, nancies, union lovers, scopers, koolaid drinkers, etc. But I wonder if on this next contract, and I'm throwing this out for discussion purpose, is to concentrate on how to handle something we don't negotiate... JVs.
Its as important as pay and work rules but at the same time we have no, or mostly none that I know of, say in it because everything is seemingly on the table during a JV negotiation. What if management team 2014 negotiates one where we give away our 748s and 773s?
Pay & Scope (JV & RJ), because it effects all of us. Maybe we should have something mildly absurd that says if we ever give away 10% of our WB flying then 100% of the 50-seat fleet is parked and Delta pilots fly all 51+ seat aircraft at a rate no lower than the DC-9 pay rate and anyone furloughed is given 2 years of pay... upfront.
Old DAL Guy: "SHUT UP ABOUT YOUR **** SCOPE! Nobody wants to hear it because it means nothing to me..."
New DAL Guy: "Wow, Air France 747, whats it doing here? I thought we flew there? Oh look, KLM? Is that China Southern? What are they doing here.... whats this about a new AE with surpluses? FedEx package? Why do I have a FedEx package for me at home?"
You know Nu you're right, if we could divide pilots by political affiliation it'd be interesting to see who were the tough guys, rough necks, where's the money crowd, nancies, union lovers, scopers, koolaid drinkers, etc. But I wonder if on this next contract, and I'm throwing this out for discussion purpose, is to concentrate on how to handle something we don't negotiate... JVs.
Its as important as pay and work rules but at the same time we have no, or mostly none that I know of, say in it because everything is seemingly on the table during a JV negotiation. What if management team 2014 negotiates one where we give away our 748s and 773s?
Pay & Scope (JV & RJ), because it effects all of us. Maybe we should have something mildly absurd that says if we ever give away 10% of our WB flying then 100% of the 50-seat fleet is parked and Delta pilots fly all 51+ seat aircraft at a rate no lower than the DC-9 pay rate and anyone furloughed is given 2 years of pay... upfront.
Food for thought.
By the time C2012 rolls around either in 2012 or earlier, most of the JV's that we need to worry about will be done. Not all but most.
The next battle after the Far East is Latin America, (yep you heard it here first) We have many countries we fly in to that are slot controlled for us. Only way to grow is to either JV or buy airlines. I see that coming to a head shortly after JAL is announced.
01-18-2010 | 07:59 AM
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New DAL Guy (probably former RJ guy): "I want scope scope scope spam spam spam eggs bacon spam spam beans and spam scope scope..."
Old DAL Guy: "SHUT UP ABOUT YOUR **** SCOPE! Nobody wants to hear it because it means nothing to me..."
New DAL Guy: "Wow, Air France 747, whats it doing here? I thought we flew there? Oh look, KLM? Is that China Southern? What are they doing here.... whats this about a new AE with surpluses? FedEx package? Why do I have a FedEx package for me at home?"
You know Nu you're right, if we could divide pilots by political affiliation it'd be interesting to see who were the tough guys, rough necks, where's the money crowd, nancies, union lovers, scopers, koolaid drinkers, etc. But I wonder if on this next contract, and I'm throwing this out for discussion purpose, is to concentrate on how to handle something we don't negotiate... JVs.
Its as important as pay and work rules but at the same time we have no, or mostly none that I know of, say in it because everything is seemingly on the table during a JV negotiation. What if management team 2014 negotiates one where we give away our 748s and 773s?
Pay & Scope (JV & RJ), because it effects all of us. Maybe we should have something mildly absurd that says if we ever give away 10% of our WB flying then 100% of the 50-seat fleet is parked and Delta pilots fly all 51+ seat aircraft at a rate no lower than the DC-9 pay rate and anyone furloughed is given 2 years of pay... upfront.
Old DAL Guy: "SHUT UP ABOUT YOUR **** SCOPE! Nobody wants to hear it because it means nothing to me..."
New DAL Guy: "Wow, Air France 747, whats it doing here? I thought we flew there? Oh look, KLM? Is that China Southern? What are they doing here.... whats this about a new AE with surpluses? FedEx package? Why do I have a FedEx package for me at home?"
You know Nu you're right, if we could divide pilots by political affiliation it'd be interesting to see who were the tough guys, rough necks, where's the money crowd, nancies, union lovers, scopers, koolaid drinkers, etc. But I wonder if on this next contract, and I'm throwing this out for discussion purpose, is to concentrate on how to handle something we don't negotiate... JVs.
Its as important as pay and work rules but at the same time we have no, or mostly none that I know of, say in it because everything is seemingly on the table during a JV negotiation. What if management team 2014 negotiates one where we give away our 748s and 773s?
Pay & Scope (JV & RJ), because it effects all of us. Maybe we should have something mildly absurd that says if we ever give away 10% of our WB flying then 100% of the 50-seat fleet is parked and Delta pilots fly all 51+ seat aircraft at a rate no lower than the DC-9 pay rate and anyone furloughed is given 2 years of pay... upfront.
01-18-2010 | 08:13 AM
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01-18-2010 | 08:36 AM
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01-18-2010 | 08:40 AM
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01-18-2010 | 08:43 AM
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01-18-2010 | 08:44 AM
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No thanks, I like the DAL reserve system better (I live in base). Keep in mind though, there are things that could/should be addressed to make it better.
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