Originally Posted by iceman49

All I'm saying Slow is that it works both ways...I also want our company to be successfull and profitable, but Delta is its employees...not the guys and girls that blow in for a few years, pump sunshine up our backside than leave with a "Golden Parachute."

Originally Posted by capncrunch

+1

Anyone who owns their own home and a rental knows how easy it is to hide the money. On the scale of accounting that Delta works with its unimaginable.

Originally Posted by tsquare

I'm not coming down on this issue one way or the other, but it was YOU that called a bunch of guys thieves. So... tell us all then how is it that they were stealing? It sounds to me llike they were well within the bounds of their contract. If they called in sick (the reason has to be reconciled in their own minds as to whether it is truly legitimate) how is that stealing? Or... are you one for the doctor's note route? Nevermind, I think I have my answer to that one. Of all the people on the forums, I would think you would be defending a pilot's right to excercise his contract. But, I guess if your morals find it distasteful, even if it is within the bounds of said contract.. well then someone is obviously stealing. OK.. got it.

Oh and as far as Kiffin goes... I said I wasn't gonna talk about it anymore, but since you brought it up. We were the jilted brides. We had his back and he turned on us. We backed him when a big part of the college community was throwing rocks. He left. OK.. I have said, I didn't like the fact that he DID leave. I have also said I understand WHY he left. Still didn't make the pain any less. I'm over it. We have a better guy now anyway.

Originally Posted by capncrunch

I agree with Carl, sick leave is ours to use as we see fit.

If we need to use it because the company will not make commuting easy, then that is where it will be used. If the company makes a few changes that cost nothing(10 1/2 day out jumpseat booking time) they will find they make money with less sick calls. It's a win win.

Originally Posted by Cogf16

TS,

You're parsing words like a lawyer(sorry) now! Carl clearly implied that guys call in sick because of commute to work issues, not because they are sick. When they got the new policy in place, sick leave usage plummeted. No ambiguity in my mind.

Originally Posted by slowplay

You are looking at it correctly for a snapshot in time. During the term of any contract there is minimal impact (very minor profit sharing, premium pay, and potential operational disruption costs). During the negotiation for the next contract it is a big deal (our 1113 case, for example). Management showed total sick leave costs (total pilot pay hours) that were way out of sync with the rest of the industry. When sick leave was modified, the total costs went down over 25% year over year (close to industry), which wasn't because of the change in sick pay, but because the change in the number of pilots calling in sick. That change in sick pay cost every pilot that needed the old hours and full vice 75% pay. For those that used sick pay as "platinum" days, there was no change.

Did the change in pay cause pilots to get sick less or fly sick more? That's a different discussion, but our LTD rate is closer to industry norm now, which is an indicator of behavioral changes.

Sick leave is just one component of our compensation package, but it is costed just as medical benefits, retirement, pay, and rules/rigs are costed.

Originally Posted by Cogf16

Its called SICK leave, not my personal leave...

Originally Posted by slowplay

While hiding money is really easy for a homeowner or small business, it's not as easy as you think in this post Enron corporate world.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

Very true and while it is possible to defer money, hiding it isn't.

Ask me how I know ... due to unraveling some depreciated assets I got to pay $30K more than I made my first year at DAL.